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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:12 pm 
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I personally dont think it will work. The ball hits the deck and it will get swept away just like when the pies and cats tried it.


Except for the fact we also have elite small forwards to contest when the ball go to ground... Something Geelong / Collingwood don't have in as great abundance.


I still think we will score more with 2 talls and an extra elite small forward that can keep the ball in. Forward line pressure to me is more important than the possibility of one or two more contested marks. It sets the tone for us and is the first step in stopping the opposition doing what they want to do ie get the ball into the corridor.

Over 120 minutes of footy, we would probably see a handfull of forward set ups. We've got shitloads of them. At any one time, we can go with

Yarran Waite Houla
Betts O'hAilpin Garlett

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Henderson Waite Yarran
Garlett O'hAilpin Betts

or

Robinson Yarran
Garlett Waite Betts
O'hAilpin

and so on....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:24 pm 
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The way i see it...........

Waite should not have to worry about another player............
he needs to be the other teams problem..........that's when
he's at his best........!


kindest regards tommi


You see, tommi's not just the Mad Dot Man. :thumbsup:


I thought that was Synbad.


Where the hell is Synbad???

Seriously... Does anyone know what happened to the guy?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:39 pm 
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Where the hell is Synbad???

Seriously... Does anyone know what happened to the guy?

He's still around, but personally I'm not sure as to whether or not he lurks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:53 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Where the hell is Synbad???

Seriously... Does anyone know what happened to the guy?

He's still around, but personally I'm not sure as to whether or not he lurks.



Asked about Synbad awhile ago. Things sure are quieter without his prognostications.

Getting back to Waite, the guy is now 27 ? He is still trying to find a regular position. In other words he is an old world utility. CHF, or CHB, 3rd tall etc. As some have suggested, play him on the wing. He has the opportunity to run both forward and back and can be the 3rd tall in defence or attack etc. as well as the extra link player that Kouta did so well in the 1995 GF.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:01 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Where the hell is Synbad???

Seriously... Does anyone know what happened to the guy?

He's still around, but personally I'm not sure as to whether or not he lurks.


My sources tell me he's been signed by Sheeds to head up new GWS supporters forum, "Talking Sydneybad".

He'll be in his element, no game plan, structures, clueless ex NRL players etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:18 am 
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Blues Clues wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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Where the hell is Synbad???

Seriously... Does anyone know what happened to the guy?

He's still around, but personally I'm not sure as to whether or not he lurks.


My sources tell me he's been signed by Sheeds to head up new GWS supporters forum, "Talking Sydneybad".

He'll be in his element, no game plan, structures, clueless ex NRL players etc.

Go easy; at his best Synbad had insight and connections. At his worst he was ridiculously overzealous and paranoid about the direction of the club.

Either way he is a passionate Carlton man and if he can tolerate being around here without losing his nut, I for one would gladly have him back.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:56 am 
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Synbad is just like every other Carlton fan on this forum.......... And just like everybody else, he has an opinion and he is entitled to that opinion.

It's an open forum people. Anybody is free to write what they please and choose (whilst sticking to the rules of course).


Sometimes I think we can easily forget that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:03 am 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Synbad is just like every other Carlton fan on this forum.......... And just like everybody else, he has an opinion and he is entitled to that opinion.

It's an open forum people. Anybody is free to write what they please and choose (whilst sticking to the rules of course).


Sometimes I think we can easily forget that.


Agree.

It looked like that every time Synbad posted there would be a barrage of sycophants immediately howling him down. :roll:
No wonder he doesn't bother anymore.

It's definitely a less interesting site now without the original crew around to stir up and create debate.


Anyway, Waitey should replace Tbird in defence until Bower returns then he can play anywhere. :smile:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:41 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Synbad is just like every other Carlton fan on this forum.......... And just like everybody else, he has an opinion and he is entitled to that opinion.

It's an open forum people. Anybody is free to write what they please and choose (whilst sticking to the rules of course).


Sometimes I think we can easily forget that.


Agree.

It looked like that every time Synbad posted there would be a barrage of sycophants immediately howling him down. :roll:
No wonder he doesn't bother anymore.

It's definitely a less interesting site now without the original crew around to stir up and create debate.


Anyway, Waitey should replace Tbird in defence until Bower returns then he can play anywhere. :smile:


Being one of the sychophants I resent that...well almost :lol: Being howled down didn't stop him posting on Big footy about his favourite subjects Ratts and Sticks, has disappeared since just before the Adelaide win though :wink:

Synbad loved being howled down just quietly. I actually do miss some of the cut and thrust, but he did cross the line at times and dragged some us down with him, thus a number of locked threads :oops: His good points and he did have some were sometimes lost amidst a lot of rubbish.

I always found it ironic that a bloke who had never played the game at any level, yet knew exactly how we should be playing could be critical of Ratts for being underqualified :lol:

But at times it was a bit of fun :grin:


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I like winning. It keeps the undesirables away.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:45 pm 
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Should we name this the synbad thread?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:52 pm 
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I like winning as well. :grin: :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
Yes, Waite is the answer up forward. Hendo is developing well, a great long term prospect whose time will come.

Is Waitey the "ideal" CHF/2nd marking tall? The answer is probably no, but he is the best option the CFC currently has and he'll do me just fine.

Please, give the thought of Waitey going back a rest, we are blessed to have Bower, Jamo, Tex as our first choice "talls" back there, with Aussie, White and Hendo as ripper back-ups.


Took 2 pages for some sense to kick in

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Why don't the Mods at TC do their job and remove posts about Synbad, this isn't a Synbad thread

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:58 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
Why don't the Mods at TC do their job and remove posts about Synbad, this isn't a Synbad thread

Their job isn't to catalogue topics. :lol:

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Virgin Blue wrote:
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Yes, Waite is the answer up forward. Hendo is developing well, a great long term prospect whose time will come.

Is Waitey the "ideal" CHF/2nd marking tall? The answer is probably no, but he is the best option the CFC currently has and he'll do me just fine.

Please, give the thought of Waitey going back a rest, we are blessed to have Bower, Jamo, Tex as our first choice "talls" back there, with Aussie, White and Hendo as ripper back-ups.


Took 2 pages for some sense to kick in


Also agree.

First off, I think footy has changed and that 2 talls forward is now much more common than 3 talls. Most clubs have 2 talls playing forward, complimented by smalls and mids. Geelong went with Mooney, Hawkins and Pods for a while, and Hawkins couldn't get near it. they put him in the ruck and look at their form since.

OUr forward line functions so much better with 2 talls, Robinson / Houlihan as mids (Houlihan, and last week Carazzo, paying as defensive forwards), and the smalls. More dangerous, quicker, and the opposition don't run it out as easily, something we'd been frustrated by for years.

Similarly, our backline has started to look really dangerous with more run. There was a stage last year and the year before when we were playing Thornton, Jamison, Waite and Bower all back. Looks much better when we have 3 talls, including Bower who gives lots of run, alongside Russell / Armfield / Gibbs / Joseph etc.

For me, Waite's best position is on the wing. His second best position is playing the loose man across half back. That's provided he is allowed to play loose. His next best position is across half forward.

To me, our Premiership window is 3-5 years. By that time, our backline will be solid. Jamison will be, and is not far off now, an A-grade full back. I think Bower will be an A-grade CHB. I think White is already our best bet as a third tall, for me he has already moved past Thornton. For some reason, Thornton continually gets the ball and kicks it either sideways, backwards or to a 50-50 upfield. It's a shame. Perhaps it's years playing in a crap team that has taught him to be so negative in his decision making. If he can change that, he still has a part to play.

Then you have Austin and Thornton as backup talls down back.

Our midfield speaks for itself,in 3-5 years it will be the best going around. Lucas is going to add to that, whether played in midfield or across half back, he looks already to have been an inspired Wayne Hughes pick, given the clamour for a tall (and I admit to being amongst that clamour). Quite simply, Lucas looks like he belongs out there (as does White). Knows where to go, gets it often, uses is well, seems to have time.

The rucks similarly will be strong in 3-5 years. Kreuzer we know, and whether it is Jacobs or Hampson or Warnock, it will bne very strong. Of the 3, Jacobs looks the best for me. They are all young, they all have loads of development yet to get to where they need to be. But Jacobs to me looks like a footballer, the others not so much. Time will tell, but we will be strong enough inthe ruck to challenge.

That leaves the forward line, which to me is still our weakness. In the same way that the Dogs may have grabbed a flag inthe last 2 years had they had a go to tall up forward, we need one. O'hAilpin's progress has been fabulous, credit to him. But will he get to a level where he can be relied upon in a GF? Not sure,I fear not. I hope I'm wrong.

To me Henderson is a natural footballer. I think he'll turn into a very good CHF, but I also think that is 2-3 years away. My feeling is a long stint in the twos might be the best thing for him. He gets to the ball, he competes, he does all the things Fevola doesn't. But he's not holding marks, and his confidence isn't where it needs to be. A long stint in the twos, where he can dominate week after week, kick 4 or 5 every week, might be the best thing for his long-term development.

The quetion is can we afford not to play him? That depends on Waite. If we play Waite as CHF, and I think that right now, he is better value there than Henderson, then Henderson can go back and dominate inthe twos. If we continue to play Henderson, then Waite is freed to play wing, across half back, or float forward. A nice position to be in.\

For me, right now, I'd let Henderson dominate for 1-2 months in the Bullants, and play Waite at CHF. Of course, that's an outsiders perspective. But right now, I think Waite is our best bet at CHF.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:18 pm 
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Agree with most of that Siegfried, except I think you're selling us a bit short. I reckon we'll be pretty close by September 2011, and I would try to get as many AFL games as possible into Henderson. Only put him back to the Ants if he is really struggling, or if it is costing the team.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Also agree.

First off, I think footy has changed and that 2 talls forward is now much more common than 3 talls. Most clubs have 2 talls playing forward, complimented by smalls and mids. Geelong went with Mooney, Hawkins and Pods for a while, and Hawkins couldn't get near it. they put him in the ruck and look at their form since.

OUr forward line functions so much better with 2 talls, Robinson / Houlihan as mids (Houlihan, and last week Carazzo, paying as defensive forwards), and the smalls. More dangerous, quicker, and the opposition don't run it out as easily, something we'd been frustrated by for years.

Similarly, our backline has started to look really dangerous with more run. There was a stage last year and the year before when we were playing Thornton, Jamison, Waite and Bower all back. Looks much better when we have 3 talls, including Bower who gives lots of run, alongside Russell / Armfield / Gibbs / Joseph etc.

For me, Waite's best position is on the wing. His second best position is playing the loose man across half back. That's provided he is allowed to play loose. His next best position is across half forward.

To me, our Premiership window is 3-5 years. By that time, our backline will be solid. Jamison will be, and is not far off now, an A-grade full back. I think Bower will be an A-grade CHB. I think White is already our best bet as a third tall, for me he has already moved past Thornton. For some reason, Thornton continually gets the ball and kicks it either sideways, backwards or to a 50-50 upfield. It's a shame. Perhaps it's years playing in a crap team that has taught him to be so negative in his decision making. If he can change that, he still has a part to play.

Then you have Austin and Thornton as backup talls down back.

Our midfield speaks for itself,in 3-5 years it will be the best going around. Lucas is going to add to that, whether played in midfield or across half back, he looks already to have been an inspired Wayne Hughes pick, given the clamour for a tall (and I admit to being amongst that clamour). Quite simply, Lucas looks like he belongs out there (as does White). Knows where to go, gets it often, uses is well, seems to have time.

The rucks similarly will be strong in 3-5 years. Kreuzer we know, and whether it is Jacobs or Hampson or Warnock, it will bne very strong. Of the 3, Jacobs looks the best for me. They are all young, they all have loads of development yet to get to where they need to be. But Jacobs to me looks like a footballer, the others not so much. Time will tell, but we will be strong enough inthe ruck to challenge.

That leaves the forward line, which to me is still our weakness. In the same way that the Dogs may have grabbed a flag inthe last 2 years had they had a go to tall up forward, we need one. O'hAilpin's progress has been fabulous, credit to him. But will he get to a level where he can be relied upon in a GF? Not sure,I fear not. I hope I'm wrong.

To me Henderson is a natural footballer. I think he'll turn into a very good CHF, but I also think that is 2-3 years away. My feeling is a long stint in the twos might be the best thing for him. He gets to the ball, he competes, he does all the things Fevola doesn't. But he's not holding marks, and his confidence isn't where it needs to be. A long stint in the twos, where he can dominate week after week, kick 4 or 5 every week, might be the best thing for his long-term development.

The quetion is can we afford not to play him? That depends on Waite. If we play Waite as CHF, and I think that right now, he is better value there than Henderson, then Henderson can go back and dominate inthe twos. If we continue to play Henderson, then Waite is freed to play wing, across half back, or float forward. A nice position to be in.\

For me, right now, I'd let Henderson dominate for 1-2 months in the Bullants, and play Waite at CHF. Of course, that's an outsiders perspective. But right now, I think Waite is our best bet at CHF.


I agree with some of that but surely Walker is our best third tall. White is good but not that good.

I don’t agree with Waite to the wing either. He is nimble for his size but not for a true wingman. You would play him there for the 2 or 3 contested marks a game he may take but that is too much of a risk when we could play a proper running player there.

to me our best team looks like this :-

Armfield Jamieson Russell
Walker Bower Gibbs
Scotland McLean Simpson
Houla Waite Yarran
Betts O'hAilpin Garlett

Krooz Judd Murphy

I/C: Sauce/Hampson/Warnoch Jospeh Carazzo Lucas

Emerg: Robinson White Henderson

It has drive out of defence. A fantastic midfield and rucks and a forward line with good leadup options, players that can contest the high/long bomb, crumbers with pace , one defensive forward and 6 players capable of both keeping the ball in or at very least not allowing our opponents to release on their terms.

Give us the flag now !


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Agree with Walker as the third mobile tall down back. I knew I'd forgotten someone there!

Your backline is just about spot on, although there will be plenty of times where Gibbs plays midfield, and Joseph or Lucas go back.

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