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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:29 pm 
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He is in our top 10 players, probably in our top 7.

Has improved his defensive work and is exceptional at running the ball out of defense.

Along with Simmo and Judd, he would be one of our barometers, in so far as he generates run for the team from defense more than any other player at the club

The fact Ratts had him pencilled in for J.Brown ahead of Thornton says a lot IMO

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:04 pm 
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yeah I see him as a key position version of Simpson. He is a geeky looking player with his arms and fingers pointing around all over the place but he is still the real deal.
He takes the game on and create so much run and opportunity. The only thing that used to bug me with Bower was his of skill when handballing but he seems to be ok with it now.

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:16 pm 
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Forget Bower until the end of July I've been told.

Look out for him in South Africa donning the azzurri strip and marshalling the troops as centre back for the Italian national side during their World Cup defence next month


Can someone who has too much time on their hands with paint/photoshop etc please put Paul Bower in the Italian livery. He will look very much at home. Anyway, my mates and I think so.....


Go Aussies......and if they stuff it up, Forza Azzurri

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:01 pm 
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Forget Bower until the end of July I've been told.

Look out for him in South Africa donning the azzurri strip and marshalling the troops as centre back for the Italian national side during their World Cup defence next month


Can someone who has too much time on their hands with paint/photoshop etc please put Paul Bower in the Italian livery. He will look very much at home. Anyway, my mates and I think so.....


Go Aussies......and if they stuff it up, Forza Azzurri


I think yer kidding, but I have to ask...are you kidding?


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:08 pm 
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I really don't like saying this, bec it is not supposed to be a personal shot, but geez, if you cannot see what great value PB gives CFC already in 2010, let alone in the future, then I suggest you don't know a great deal about football

PB started to step up last year, his numbers were among our top 3 over consecutive weeks. As Cazz said, he is a gem.

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:31 pm 
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so is he back before round 12 or going to be a longer stint on the sidelines?


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
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i'd trade him to the Eagles for Josh Kennedy


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:48 pm 
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After 3 pages I'd suggest you have your answer Chyna.

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:55 pm 
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chyna wrote:
Why does everyone in here seem to get hot in the tweeds over Paul Bower? I mean, yes, the site sponsors him which is fair enough but on the ground, he certainly doesn't live up to the reputation that this site affords him. IN pure footytalk terms he is NUTS. (Not Up to Scratch).
He struggles against good opponents, his skills are questionable, his decision making is pretty much confusing and when he does get the ball, he runs around in a panicked state like a rabbit in the headlights. I don't understand why Carlton supporters seem to think he is the panacea for our defensive ills.
Granted, he is better than Thornton which is not saying much, but surely he isn't as good as the reputation people in here heap upon him.
I have seen him 'developing' since his first game against Sydney late in the season a few years ago and I have to say that in my opinion, he still doesn't give us a great deal.

His marking needs to improve, his disposal skills likewise, his defensive efforts against good opponents and his decision making. In my opinion, he tries to do to much with the ball (a-la Billy Bob Thornton) and too many turn-overs result.

What does he do that I don't see yet so many others do??/


Oh I get it, you're taking the piss aren't you. No one could be that blind. Nice one.

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
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Virgin Blue wrote:
I really don't like saying this, bec it is not supposed to be a personal shot, but geez, if you cannot see what great value PB gives CFC already in 2010, let alone in the future, then I suggest you don't know a great deal about football

PB started to step up last year, his numbers were among our top 3 over consecutive weeks. As Cazz said, he is a gem.


+1.

And he's a quality bloke too, from my experience.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

(Although I'm a little disappointed he's lost the Vin Catoggio-style hair in the last year or 2)

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
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Poor old Chyna. At least in the last 5 years when you entered any Fev thread spitting your poison you had a handful of people backing you up. Looks like you are 0 and 42 on this one fella.

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
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I'm quite happy to get hot in the tweeds over Paul Bower. He started well at the club and improves year on year.

At a practice match against the dogs a few years ago, some blokes near me called him 'Panic Room' which I thought was funny but unfair then. We are a better side with himin it and I suggest that would be true even if we swapped a few of our lesser lights for All Australians

Good on ya Pauley!

Oh, loved the "hot in the tweeds' reference :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:14 pm 
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chyna wrote:
Why does everyone in here seem to get hot in the tweeds over Paul Bower? I mean, yes, the site sponsors him which is fair enough but on the ground, he certainly doesn't live up to the reputation that this site affords him. IN pure footytalk terms he is NUTS. (Not Up to Scratch).
He struggles against good opponents, his skills are questionable, his decision making is pretty much confusing and when he does get the ball, he runs around in a panicked state like a rabbit in the headlights. I don't understand why Carlton supporters seem to think he is the panacea for our defensive ills.
Granted, he is better than Thornton which is not saying much, but surely he isn't as good as the reputation people in here heap upon him.
I have seen him 'developing' since his first game against Sydney late in the season a few years ago and I have to say that in my opinion, he still doesn't give us a great deal.

His marking needs to improve, his disposal skills likewise, his defensive efforts against good opponents and his decision making. In my opinion, he tries to do to much with the ball (a-la Billy Bob Thornton) and too many turn-overs result.

What does he do that I don't see yet so many others do??/


His skills must be questionnable given he has the best efficiency at the club in 2010

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/statistics/ ... fault.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:02 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
chyna wrote:
Why does everyone in here seem to get hot in the tweeds over Paul Bower? I mean, yes, the site sponsors him which is fair enough but on the ground, he certainly doesn't live up to the reputation that this site affords him. IN pure footytalk terms he is NUTS. (Not Up to Scratch).
He struggles against good opponents, his skills are questionable, his decision making is pretty much confusing and when he does get the ball, he runs around in a panicked state like a rabbit in the headlights. I don't understand why Carlton supporters seem to think he is the panacea for our defensive ills.
Granted, he is better than Thornton which is not saying much, but surely he isn't as good as the reputation people in here heap upon him.
I have seen him 'developing' since his first game against Sydney late in the season a few years ago and I have to say that in my opinion, he still doesn't give us a great deal.

His marking needs to improve, his disposal skills likewise, his defensive efforts against good opponents and his decision making. In my opinion, he tries to do to much with the ball (a-la Billy Bob Thornton) and too many turn-overs result.

What does he do that I don't see yet so many others do??/


His skills must be questionnable given he has the best efficiency at the club in 2010

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/statistics/ ... fault.aspx


I agree that his skills are nowhere near as bad as some seem to believe :smile: Statistics are funny things though, missing the Bombers game and to a lesser degree the Lions game certainly was a plus for the big bloke disposal efficiency wise :lol:

We need him back as soon as possible IMO :thumbsup: We have fed the troll a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:13 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
so is he back before round 12 or going to be a longer stint on the sidelines?


club has him out for three weeks should be back round 12

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/injury/tabi ... fault.aspx


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:26 pm 
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Paul Bower and Michael Jamison are clearly our best two defenders IMHO. They both offer us different things as defenderstoo. Jamo is like a glove who is also a fantastic spoiler and Bower is a great spoiler who takes them on and creates more than any other KPP player in our backline....

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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:32 pm 
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Salsiccia wrote:

At a practice match against the dogs a few years ago, some blokes near me called him 'Panic Room' which I thought was funny but unfair then.


I heard some guys last year refer to him as the startled emu, probably for similar reasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Paul Bower question
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:58 am 
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all I know is that everytime he has the ball I have my heart in my mouth! Saying that he always seems to do the right thing with it so he surely knows best.

He is a gun .... just not a conventional one in my opinion if that makes sense.


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