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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:41 am 
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If you think he didnt know about the drug taking when he was at WC you are a moron
If you think he should have been drinking with Fevola at 2.00pm before the Brownlow you are a moron
If you think Judd had no idea what was going on the boat which would be only acceptable behaviour to morons and couldnt do anything about it when he is captain the you are a moron


Because this is 2010. Times have changed
My impression of Judd is that he is a good bloke , a modest champion and easy going.
Character traits that are commendable.

However it is obvious from the 3 examples(I can offer more) that he has no balls.
Sometimes a captain must make unpopular decisions based on the correct values associated with team sport.
Judd doesnt.





The best player doesnt make the best captain.
And it is important to have the right player for the job.

And just as a side issue

If Judd was released from his leadership duties he would be an even better player for us because my impression is he his a reluctant skipper.

I have offered who I think should be captain


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:43 am 
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dane wrote:
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offer your honest assessment of Chris Judd's off field leadership


How can I comment on it? I am not a member of the playing group and as such the information is all rumors and hearsay. The only thing I can comment on is his on field leadership which I thnk is superb.




Soft :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:56 am 
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keogh wrote:
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offer your honest assessment of Chris Judd's off field leadership


How can I comment on it? I am not a member of the playing group and as such the information is all rumors and hearsay. The only thing I can comment on is his on field leadership which I thnk is superb.




Soft :wink:


Just keep pushing your barrow mate, surely someone will listen.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:00 am 
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No great dramas with the article but it is old news. Juddy has had a wake up call and will be interesting how he responds over the season. Leadership on and off the field has been an issue for most of this past decade. Hopefully the personal development sessions the players have been involved with will set us on the right path. Time will tell.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:05 am 
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keogh wrote:
I have offered who I think should be captain


Noted and filed accordingly.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:07 am 
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The truth obviously hurts the deniers.

It's much healthier to accept the obvious than deny... so we can move forward... properly.

It's seems that only heavy (media) exposure is the only way to force 'change' at Carlton.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:08 am 
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Caro still belives the drug addict at Richmoan is the 'better' captain (like anyone cares or remembers Judd was the Premiership captain). She forgets about the lad who flatlined in Vegas and Michael Gardiner's incidents.
Move on Caro, you look as tired as your articles.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:14 am 
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what is with the media and carlton.
none of our players are being charged with a criminal offence yet we make the papers. her deranged team and another which makes me wanna hurl every time i see them both got flogged this weekend and both have players on CRIMINAL charges.

enough said.

and for what its worth, if supporters think judd hasnt contributed enough both in the development of the kids and increase in the coffers then they are as dumb as the caro.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:17 am 
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Who really cares what Caro writes? Its stuff for the bogans. It feeds the machine. She will get a paid gig on radio to say "hey it was an opinion piece and that is just my opinion".

Maybe Judd is so smart that he lets the idiots hang themselves so the club hardens up. Right now it has made the call that the next stuff up will see the end of the player involved. Now the players are responsible for themselves. The idiots will either stuff up again and be out or pull their heads in and realise its not Judds job to tell them when they are going to far. The timing for this is perfect.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 am 
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club29 wrote:
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Maybe Judd and Swann are so smart that they let the idiots hang themselves so the club hardens up....

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:38 am 
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perception
intuition
2 words you obviously dont associate with CFC

In relation to Carrots to you and Cazz


1 Experienced
2 A walk up start when fit in the starting 22
3 Tough . Cant have our most experienced player as captain can we
4 knocked back by the draft then Geelong .Went on to win a BandF at Carlton. Resiliant
5 Unless anyone knows anything, has not been in any trouble
6 IMO the best spoken player at the club. Intelligent and articulate

Now I will take the Dane line here and say that if he had the key would he release Levi from those handcuffs without any thought to the unpopular nature of his decision.

I dont know.
Only the inner sanctom of Visa park knows that.
I hope

Judd didnt.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:41 am 
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budzy wrote:
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Maybe Judd and Swann are so smart that they let the idiots hang themselves so the club hardens up....


Agree with your addition of Swann in that statement Budzy. I am pretty sure he had Fev in the gun from the moment he arrived. Judd saved Fev at first. I sense he has never warmed to another bloke too but that is just a "vibe". Slowly but surely the idiots on our list have shown their faces. The list know what is expected of them now. They collectively shat themselves before xmas and i doubt anyone at the club wants to feel like that again.

All systems go from here on.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:45 am 
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club29 wrote:
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Maybe Judd and Swann are so smart that they let the idiots hang themselves so the club hardens up....


Agree with your addition of Swann in that statement Budzy. I am pretty sure he had Fev in the gun from the moment he arrived. Judd saved Fev at first. I sense he has never warmed to another bloke too but that is just a "vibe". Slowly but surely the idiots on our list have shown their faces. The list know what is expected of them now. They collectively shat themselves before xmas and i doubt anyone at the club wants to feel like that again.

All systems go from here on.


people wonder why Fev wasn't taken out of Crown that night...?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:49 am 
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*yawn*
(contemplates a fart)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:49 am 
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keogh wrote:
My wife is the most perceptive person I have ever met

And she is a Carlton supporter to boot. A great combination

So when she says Judd is a yes man that is spot on

What is a yes man



Yes Rebecca
Yes Daniel and Ben
Yes Sticks
Yes Ratts
Yes .....................................................


Not a good choice of captain


the alternative



Andrew Carrazzo


He has said no at least once ........ West Coast Eagles :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:54 am 
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Judd isn't a natural captain but I'll give him credit, when the club had zero options, he accepted the role.
He's probably be the first to admit he has a way to go.

The reality is IMO, Juddy will be there to steer the ship until someone more suitable comes along and then he'll happily step aside. But dont be confused, Judd may not be a great captain but he is an excellent leader IMO. He does things on the field that inspire and drag others along.

Whatever shit Caro dishes up, he does more for the game of footy than she will in 100 lifetimes.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:41 am 
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We could always piss Judd off to Richmond but after reading Caro's article they probably would'nt want him :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:50 am 
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chubbyruss wrote:
We could always piss Judd off to Richmond but after reading Caro's article they probably would'nt want him :grin:


He already plays for Richmond.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:04 pm 
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There is something seriously wrong here. IMO this article is not about Chris Judd – he is the pretext.

The booze cruise occurred almost two months ago. It was widely written up, discussed, club ridiculed, players scorned, by a press, overly bloated with sports journalists, who had a field day - every day - over and over and over again.

In response the club immediately fined three players the maximum allowed penalty and subsequently suspended them. The captain very publically shared responsibility and declared it simply will not happen again.

Together with the AFL the club also put in place a plan to promote responsible alcohol behaviour.

Somehow this was not good enough for the rabid hounds. It would not have mattered what the club’s response was, it still would not have been enough and that is my point.

In this latest, of a two month long sustained attack, the press, in this case Caro, unbelievably trivializes ‘rape’, ‘racially induced assault, battery and robbery’, and ‘drug trafficking’ by comparing them to the stupidity of being intoxicated and playing drinking games.

I am not commending drinking games but maybe the result is a headache or bruised ego or even, heaven forbid, some camaraderie. Whatever, I am not commending it and think it highly stupid but a drinking game hardly draws comparison to rape, or assault or drugs! These are crimes and they really do have the potential to be life altering, life scaring and even life ending.

Something is dreadfully wrong. I do not believe in vendettas or Caro’s supposed hatred or jealousy. My point is why is the club’s relationship with the press so bad and how can it be fixed?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:33 pm 
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LC wrote:
There is something seriously wrong here. IMO this article is not about Chris Judd – he is the pretext.

The booze cruise occurred almost two months ago. It was widely written up, discussed, club ridiculed, players scorned, by a press, overly bloated with sports journalists, who had a field day - every day - over and over and over again.

In response the club immediately fined three players the maximum allowed penalty and subsequently suspended them. The captain very publically shared responsibility and declared it simply will not happen again.

Together with the AFL the club also put in place a plan to promote responsible alcohol behaviour.

Somehow this was not good enough for the rabid hounds. It would not have mattered what the club’s response was, it still would not have been enough and that is my point.

In this latest, of a two month long sustained attack, the press, in this case Caro, unbelievably trivializes ‘rape’, ‘racially induced assault, battery and robbery’, and ‘drug trafficking’ by comparing them to the stupidity of being intoxicated and playing drinking games.

I am not commending drinking games but maybe the result is a headache or bruised ego or even, heaven forbid, some camaraderie. Whatever, I am not commending it and think it highly stupid but a drinking game hardly draws comparison to rape, or assault or drugs! These are crimes and they really do have the potential to be life altering, life scaring and even life ending.

Something is dreadfully wrong. I do not believe in vendettas or Caro’s supposed hatred or jealousy. My point is why is the club’s relationship with the press so bad and how can it be fixed?


Really,though,you are commending it..and handcuffing someone is a form of assault..isn't it?...and a form that forces you to grin and bare whatever ritul you are asked to perform..or risk group ridicule,being outcast...God knows what else...it's time to go....drinking games.
i also think that comments like the ones given by Hoops ,don't inspire poeple in general, as well as the press, to take seriously our promises to change the culture of the club.
As Juddy says..it is time for action..so let's wait and see.

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