The difference between yesterday and tanking, is that yesterday we didn't field this team:

B: Sporn, Morrell, Houlihan
HB: Wiggins, Whitnall, Teague
C: Scotland, Stevens, Johnson
HF: Chambers, DeLuca, Lappin
F: Clarke, Fevola, Longmuir
Foll: French, Koutoufides, Camporeale
Int: Bryan, Prendergast, Bowyer, McGrath

How many games do you reckon that team would win? Playing that side would be tanking...big time.

For those who don't get it: the above team comprises our 22 oldest players.

Just wanted to show I can strut too (wasn't born in the year of the Rooster for nothing).

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I am not going to argue tactics with you because in this regard, pardon my French, but you are clueless. But just to enlighten you. Mid Fielders are offensive players, they are supposed to run and create, it is what they do. If you want to close a mid fielder down you employ a tagger. Campo fulfilled his role beautifully on Saturday. It was up to Adelaide to close him down and they didn't. And note Campo laid 6 tackles yesterday meant that he also covered the defensive side of required of a mid fielder.

Also employing a 'press' or flood is designed to slow the opposition down, it is a defensive tactic until you can re-organise and re-employ your gameplan. I thought we did it very well yesterday. For a team that supposedly made up of hacks and downhill skiers we damn near beat a team that is a genuine finals threat.

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I will keep doing a Surrey also.
Sometimes it's what others say that help my cause then what I say.

So you don’t want us to do what a side that’s winning and are in the eight are doing….

Interesting???

Noticed in round 8 that Chris Judd let Stephen Baker get offensive side of him 4 times.

Chris Judd is unaccountable and needs to put more time into his opponent.

Forgot to add a couple... Now that makes me feel superior

Or both...?

I actually understood that you'd seen the light danny.

Synbad's just a bit slower sometimes.



(GWS and his other six heads climbs up onto the turnbuckle...)

the thing that has me truly miffed, is some of us here are so willing to win another wooden spoon.

@#$%&! that, i never want to win another one again, i didnt want to win our first won, hated it, hated it with a passion, and cant see how anyone that follows Carlton would want to win one, regardless of what it may mean.

If it comes down to the last game of the season and the difference between getting the priority pick and getting the wooden spoon is a win, give me the win everyday.

The minute our club comes to the conclusion that winning the wooden spoon is better than winning a game a football is the minute i turn my attention to the Super 14's.

If we cant make the finals then i would love to get a priority pick, but not at the expense of winning the wooden spoon.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Agree 100%. Can't stand the thought of another spoon.

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I don't like winning them either Scott but whilst I can tell you the premier from just about every year footy's been played I can't remember who won the wooden spoon more than a couple of years back.

It's an issue when it happens because some of the kids at school might tease you but means stuff all otherwise.

Premierships are what it's about and if "winning" another spoon gets us the two best kids in the land then I'm okay with it if it brings us a step closer to a 17th flag.

Yep....1 SPOON for 1 PREMIERSHIP. That's truly beautiful.
What great logic/philosophy to live by.

Seriously I for one do not want to be a part of this new age thinking.

Nope - 1 spoon to add to the possibility of an era of great football and the chance to have a consistently great side that wins multiple premierships.

Or perhaps we should just hang around 10th-15th for a few more years so that we don't "win" a timber kitchen implement...

Just out of curiosity GWS, how many spoons have Geelong and WestCoast won?

Sorry but I like advance by getting down and getting dirty not turning up for my check every week thinking I'm doing a wonderful job.
But that's me and it seems I don't belong in this new world.

GWS, Do you seriously think a having a PP or even 2 PP's will win us a Premiership? Thats a lot of pressure on a unproven kid.

Wish it was so simple. I'd even advocate playing for the picks if it were.

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I have absolutely no idea - that's the point - no-one cares.




I didn't say that. I said...

Hey Synbad if we need to lose to get better, i.e. we need to win less than 5 games to get the PP and advantage in the draft, then why didn't we do this last year? What was the point of having 10 wins? Was it to give the supporters false hope? Was it so that Denis would get his contract renewed?

If we had tanked last year and won the spoon then we would have picked up Delidio, Tambling, Meyer and Knobel? What went wrong with the plan? I am happy about us losing so that we get the PP this year, but what happened last year?

Does anyone seriously place our finishing position as their primary concern?
I couldnt give a rats arse where we finish.
Todays team should be about tomorrows development.

The fact is we are nowhere near good enough.
The only issue should be the direction we take to improve our list.
In my opinion, Denis is trying to develop a structure for the players to abide by.
He wants players to give 100% commitment and play against their natural instincts if need be.
Do what is asked instead of what you feel is important.
Sacrifice your own game if required for team success.

If you want to know why a player isnt getting a game, look at one of the above.
Bryan is expected to impose himself on contests, to bust packs and take contested marks.
He isnt doing it and he shouldnt be played until he does.
Perhaps he may have improved our lot on Sunday but what message are we sending Russell, Hartlett and co?
They need to know that the requirement for them is to follow instructions and give 100%.
If they dont, they dont get played.
The message should be consistent.

When the kids get promoted they should be directed by the senior players in the team.
If the senior players are not following instructions or setting the required example, drop them.
Winning is great but the most important thing for the youngsters is to learn competitiveness.
Last year was a disgrace.
Andrew Walker learnt that we can be competitive one week and perhaps win and then get smashed by 100 points the next.
Then we can be competitive again.
Last year was pathetic.
Give me 22 competitive games with 5 wins over 10 wins and 10 demolitions any day.

Winning should be secondary.
Redeveloping a competitive, aggressive and consistent team should be our primary objective.
If we win the spoon doing it, I couldnt give a @#$%&!.
What the kids learn today is what determines our immediate future.
Worrying about where we finish on the 2005 ladder is taking our eye off the ball.
We should be building a team for 2006 and beyond.

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Agree 100%.

"Redeveloping a competitive, aggressive and consistent team should be our primary objective."

Complete basis of my entire arguement.

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We were in deep Poo, Poo last year. No sponsors, no money, no FTA, no Friday night games etc. It was actually important to get a good win ratio in the second half of the year from a survival point of view.

This is also my biggest concern in regard to playing for picks. The club is still financially weak. We need FTA and we need Friday night. If we are absolutely rock bottom nobody wants to show us again, this affects sponsorships, memberships etc. And it can take quite some time to recover even if you begin to play better. So while I understand the arguments posted by Synbad and others, I am concerned from a financial point of view.

And make no mistake Mikkey, the AFL will not cut us any slack in this regard........if we are to weak for to long we could find ourselves heading for a merge or relocation

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

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