Hun: Trade Fevola, Whitnall

BlueJean · **Joined:** Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:41 pm **Posts:** 979

camelboy wrote:

keep Lance with the intention that he'll only ever be a third forward option.

NO. Don't keep Lance. Let him cause frustration to another team. Not us.

Bluebernz · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 1:37 pm

camelboy wrote:

Bluebernz wrote:

maxyblue wrote:

TheGame wrote:

No one wants Lance.

i reckon there'd be a few clubs out there who would love to have lance as their 3rd forward.

Agree with this. I think we've seen the peak of Lance's career and he'll never reach the heights he reached circa 2000 ever again. IMO, he's only a support player at best these days. Lance will only attract interest from clubs that need a support (3rd Tall) forward. His days as an elite CHF are over AFAIC.

So given that we're likely to get a decent stab at the PSD, as well as having some freed up salary cap money to splash around, do we look at recruiting a youngish forward gun that complements Lance? (Maybe in Fisher we're halfway there anyway???)

I don't reckon we'll get much joy at the trade table with Lance, and I don't think his mental skills have ever been in question, so why don't we make the best of what some may consider a bad scenario, keep Lance with the intention that he'll only ever be a third forward option. By improving our KPP stocks Lance would have the freedom of floating around HFF, rather than being THE focus either at CHF or CHB.

Oh, and for the record I's like two Fevola's, one to lead and one to kick it to him. Fev's field kicking to players on a lead is first class, no wonder he spits the dummy, as much as I hate it when he does.

The only way I would keep Lance is if he agrees to a massive pay cut- something befitting a support player. If we can find ourselves a CHF (PSD? Waite?, maybe Fisher but needs to bulk up) then I can see him still being a contributor as a floating Fwd in our side. The question is whether Lance will ever accept such a massive pay cut???

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

We need to get some fresh faces in the team and I wouldnt keep him on a low salary. If Lance cant produce when he is on the big bucks then I doubt he will be that motivated to produce for half the money. He and the Carlton football club need to part for both his and the clubs future...

I'm well and truly over Lance and its actually makes me sad to see him floundering not floating around....Nathan Bock is a handy up an comer but thats all and to watch him run off Lance was sad...500K a year for what lance is offering and then having to watch Brown get 27 possies, 12 marks and bag 5 goals in a losing team....we are a laughing stock paying what we pay to some players...

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 1:48 pm

Adam Cooney wrote:

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Essendon*, Dogs, St.Kilda all fit this criteria.

We need any forward.

What would the Bulldogs offer for Lance?

Adam Cooney · **Joined:** Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:33 pm **Posts:** 238

ryan2000 wrote:

Adam Cooney wrote:

Quote:

Essendon*, Dogs, St.Kilda all fit this criteria.

We need any forward.

What would the Bulldogs offer for Lance?

Wouldn't think it would be a hell of a lot.

Probably a second rounder and Wayde Skipper/Sam Power.

Sumo · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:18 pm **Posts:** 367

Adam Cooney wrote:

ryan2000 wrote:

Adam Cooney wrote:

Quote:

Essendon*, Dogs, St.Kilda all fit this criteria.

We need any forward.

What would the Bulldogs offer for Lance?

Wouldn't think it would be a hell of a lot.

Probably a second rounder and Wayde Skipper/Sam Power.

I'd take Sam Power. Then we're a chance to pick up Luke who's out of contract at the end of the year & keen (apparently) to play with his brother

Adam Cooney · **Joined:** Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:33 pm **Posts:** 238

Well in that case we'll keep him. :lol:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10482

Lance Whitnall playing under Rodney Eade for a second round pick & seconds player. :evil:

Seriously some people have no idea, it this trade went through Western Bulldogs would not only make the finals that year but we would become a laughing stock, but then what's new these days. :roll:

Sumo · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:18 pm **Posts:** 367

SurreyBlue wrote:

Lance Whitnall playing under Rodney Eade for a second round pick & seconds player. :evil:

Seriously some people have no idea, it this trade went through Western Bulldogs would not only make the finals that year but we would become a laughing stock, but then what's new these days. :roll:

SB, you may not have picked up that my last comments were tongue in cheek. I'm all for keeping Lance & have defended him in previous threads.

However, I'm interested to know why you think Lance would make the difference to the Bullies under Eade. Is he a better coach the Pagan? What could Eade give Lance that he hasn't given Rawlings?

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10482

Sumo wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Lance Whitnall playing under Rodney Eade for a second round pick & seconds player. :evil:

Seriously some people have no idea, it this trade went through Western Bulldogs would not only make the finals that year but we would become a laughing stock, but then what's new these days. :roll:

SB, you may not have picked up that my last comments were tongue in cheek. I'm all for keeping Lance & have defended him in previous threads.

However, I'm interested to know why you think Lance would make the difference to the Bullies under Eade. Is he a better coach the Pagan? What could Eade give Lance that he hasn't given Rawlings?

The Whitnall/Pagan relationship IMHO will never work.

Take that how you like. I believe they got off on the wrong foot and never got back on the right one. That and the fact Whitnall cannot play Pagan's game but is more happy with an Eade game plan. :cry:

Contrary to popular opinion, Whitnall is NOT finished as an AFL footballer and like last year, would loath to see us give him away for a second round pick. Put Whitnall in any other of the 15 teams and the results will be different.

I hope we keep him and eihter find the CHF that Pagan needs to have his game work on and therefore play Whitnall from the pocket next to Fevola or change the game plan (don't think so), but alas, I think that is not going to happen.

Sumo · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:18 pm **Posts:** 367

Yeah, tend to agree with the Whitnall/Pagan relationship. But geeze I'd be disappointed if we off loaded him

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 3:04 pm

Bluebernz wrote:

The only way I would keep Lance is if he agrees to a massive pay cut- something befitting a support player. If we can find ourselves a CHF (PSD? Waite?, maybe Fisher but needs to bulk up) then I can see him still being a contributor as a floating Fwd in our side. The question is whether Lance will ever accept such a massive pay cut???

Yeah agree, but I imagine the club will be on the better side of Lance's next Carlton contract, assuming there is one. Dumb question now, but when is his contract up? I reckon the club will be in the driver's seat whenever the next negotiation is up.

Bluebernz · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 3:07 pm

camelboy wrote:

Bluebernz wrote:

The only way I would keep Lance is if he agrees to a massive pay cut- something befitting a support player. If we can find ourselves a CHF (PSD? Waite?, maybe Fisher but needs to bulk up) then I can see him still being a contributor as a floating Fwd in our side. The question is whether Lance will ever accept such a massive pay cut???

Yeah agree, but I imagine the club will be on the better side of Lance's next Carlton contract, assuming there is one. Dumb question now, but when is his contract up? I reckon the club will be in the driver's seat whenever the next negotiation is up.

contract finishes end of this year according to Synbad.

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 3:13 pm

$150-200K a year for two years it is then.

Or he walks to PSD.

Bluebernz · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 3:22 pm

$150-200K a year for two years... sounds about right to me camel. I wouldn't pay him any more than that. Don't think any other club would either.

titimus · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm **Posts:** 939

Adam Cooney wrote:

ryan2000 wrote:

Adam Cooney wrote:

Quote:

Essendon*, Dogs, St.Kilda all fit this criteria.

We need any forward.

What would the Bulldogs offer for Lance?

Wouldn't think it would be a hell of a lot.

Probably a second rounder and Wayde Skipper/Sam Power.

Jeez, i'd take that deal in a heartbeat!

2nd rnd + Sam Power for Lance Whitnall.

I haven't seen him play for a while, but I seem to remember big wraps on him when he was drafted.

And a nice angle for pinching Luke it is too (EP:III rocks).

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 6:06 pm

You can talk about trades all you want but most of them never happen - Last years trade peroid only netted 15 trades out of all the clubs . I doubt either of these players a trade could be done because no one could agree on what they are worth. Everyone thinks Lance days are over so he is worth nothing and no one could tell you wether Fevola has reached his peak or has plenty more to offer so you couldn't put a value on him. Lance would never leave of his own accord he would be pushed . Fevs a different matter all together you wouldn't know what he is thinking and judging by what you see and here he is doing what Campo- Kouta and Hamill did a few years back and testing the market place to see what he is worth.

Kouta · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 6:24 pm

Fev will only be traded to a club that can swing a deal for 2 1st round picks and one of those will have to be top ten given it is reputedly a shallow draft. Only the bottom 8 could potentially find a space in their cap and only the top 8 have enough players that could get the picks we wanted. But the top 8 sides won't have room in their cap or break up their team unity for Fev. Geelong won't do it two years in a row and WCE,Saints,Demons,Fremantle,Tigers won't break up their structure or have space in the cap.
That leaves potentially Swans, Bulldogs, Kangaroos, Essendon*, Port ,Lions,Hawthorn and the Pies.The Kangaroos and Dogs are restricted to 92.5 % of the cap and won't be able to give the 500k Fev would demand to move.Port would still have big contracts to pay and Fev wouldn't go to the Dons with Lloyd also a one position player. The Hawks and Pies would be in prime position to strike with Tarrant able to play in a pocket and the Hawks crying out for a Full Forward.I don't see the Swans,Pies or the Hawks having the talent that could gain the picks that would satisfy the Blues.This leaves the Lions who would have the players that could gain the picks and space in the cap to nab Fevola.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 7:59 pm

nah, Sam Power is shit. He can't kick and he doesn't have his brother's rag.

You can have Whitnall, Coons, and keep Sam Power.

Our best bet is to parcel Lance with some other stuff and try and land something decent in a highly convoluted deal.

On my Excel spreadsheet, I worked out a trade to land Ryley Dunn with Lance :wink:

You gotta be smart. The Dogs have a lot of WA players on their list. Dunn plays for Fremantle..... We've got a few bit-players to make up the deal.... :wink:

Or, you get that Sam Power deal and ship him up to Brisbane to join his brother, and get someone from Brisbane... a Troy Selwood or someone with GOOD skills.

I'd delist Lance if no one wants him. The guy has no interest in the Navy Blue, and should never play in it again.

Adam Cooney · **Joined:** Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:33 pm **Posts:** 238

The Tyrant wrote:

nah, Sam Power is shit. He can't kick and he doesn't have his brother's rag.

You can have Whitnall, Coons, and keep Sam Power.

Our best bet is to parcel Lance with some other stuff and try and land something decent in a highly convoluted deal.

On my Excel spreadsheet, I worked out a trade to land Ryley Dunn with Lance :wink:

You gotta be smart. The Dogs have a lot of WA players on their list. Dunn plays for Fremantle..... We've got a few bit-players to make up the deal.... :wink:

Or, you get that Sam Power deal and ship him up to Brisbane to join his brother, and get someone from Brisbane... a Troy Selwood or someone with GOOD skills.

I'd delist Lance if no one wants him. The guy has no interest in the Navy Blue, and should never play in it again.

We have Farren Ray, Wayde Skipper....

Its the 12-15 SA players we have.

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