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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:59 pm 
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I get depressed when anyone else wins a flag.

I wouldnt give those Bomber pricks any satisfaction by admitting to be any more or less impacted from any success they may or may not ever have.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:00 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
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Right......but the stats would suggest we are still more effective, right?


Melvey wrote:

Stats aren't everything.

Compare the two teams who is playing the better football right now and why?


So they're playing the better football......but we are scoring more...so you should be optimistic??

:smoking:


selective reading so im not going to bother answering


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:07 pm 
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I'd have to leave the country or even fake my own death and live another life as a Kazakhstany reporter


Nah I think you'd be popping the cork in celebration


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:13 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
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Almost 100 point more for Carlton than Essendon* thus far seems to shoot holes in your "Essendon* are more attacking" theory Melvey.


Attacking doesn't necessarily mean more goals. They are encouraged to take risks, play on, daring, flashy, run the lines and take the game on.

They don't subscribe to tempo football as much as Brett Ratten does.

Have you seen us try and link up with handball and run???? very amateur if you ask me

:?

I can recall Carlton running the ball through the middle with handball against the Saints with using run and carry.

I thought we exposed St Kilda's lack of pace that night.

We lost by just nine points with Fevola quiet and Judd on and off the ground.

No Judd and Fevola...

No Carlton...

What strategy did Knights use to counter Malthouse and Laidley blocking up the middle to take the points?

Knights didn't even attempt to shut down the Crows in a shoot out that would have had you calling for Ratten's head.

All out attack is good football.

Essendon* lost after leading at every change.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:18 pm 
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They are playing better to watch footy but are not winning anymore games than us.

I am looking forward to them throwing gumbleton into the mix and getting a full list to choose from . That will have them becoming more predictable.

They are an up an coming side. THis year they might be better but next we might be better than them.

All the good teams are built defence first.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:21 pm 
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not as p15sed as if the Aints win one.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:47 pm 
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if the bombers ever have more premierships then us i will feel so sick, add the saints to that aswell, hate both with a passion.
i think the bombers are playing the best they can play where i think we are playing sub par due to key injuries/coach. also Essendon* aint gonna win a premiership with there style, i put them within the bulldogs category , dont think that style wins u premierships


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:57 pm 
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I don't even think the writings of Lovecraft would be able to describe the sheer horror and subsequent madness that will engulf me should these flowers get 17 before us.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:13 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I don't even think the writings of Lovecraft would be able to describe the sheer horror and subsequent madness that will engulf me should these !@#$%& get 17 before us.


:lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:20 pm 
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Firstly, don't get conned by this baby bomber bullshit.

Take a look at the team that played Sydney.

There is an enormous core of players +23...Fletcher/Lloyd/Lucas then there is Welsh/Winderlich/Stanton/Lovett/Watson/McPhee/Davey/Dyson/McVeigh.

They aren't that young :lol: ...take a look at the stats. Lovett is 27...the way people talk you'd think he was 22.

They have been able to develop youngsters will having a senior core there to teach them. We haven't had a senior core to build around...we've had to draft a core of young players to build around. Gibbs is 20...people go on with this 3 x 1 pick crap but they're all still very inexperienced. Murphy is the one who has looked like he could cope with the pressure this year but Gibbs and Kreuzer still need time.

The scum already have the core there. You have to compare the amount of experience each list has had.

It just shows what cheating the cap and prior to that what neglecting recruiting does to your list. We have Houlihan, Fev, Thornton and Simpson from the 2002 draft and before that. :lol:

They have McVeigh, Lloyd, Lucas, Winderlich, McPhee, Watson, Welsh, Hille.

Alwyn Davey is 25 this year.... :lol: another one who most would think is younger than that.

So first we have to build a core before we can do much more. We have most of the core on the list we just have to give them time. The scums core already has the experience and has two key forwards who will be gone soon, with two injury prone 'replacements'.

Don't be conned by the baby bomber bullshit.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:27 pm 
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After "gaining" our first ever wooden spoon...nothing else matters.....we were the only Club without one.....that really hurt.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:29 pm 
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OMG

:garthp:

:roll:

What a shit thread.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:34 pm 
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Orangewhip wrote:
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OMG

:garthp:

:roll:

What a shit thread.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:21 pm 
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Melvey wrote:

I keep saying this to myself, the Bombers are playing great football thats clicking and are on 8 wins. We are playing terrible football and on the equal wins with them....... maybe once its starts to all click for us we will come out on top



that is the most sensible thing i have ever seen you write on this forum.

everyone talks about how good Essendon* is, do they have a better list etc.. etc.. all the while saying how we arent as good, nor playing well, arent impressive as the bombers.

yet we sit higher than them on the ladder with better percentage.

as per the stats cazzeman posted somewhere, there isnt a stat they beat us in, and we sit higher than them on the ladder

alll the while ... we arent as good, we arent playing good football.

i like them to collingwood, who are probably at the top of their game and can only just beat sides, and IMO they where lucky to beat the dogs by 1 point, while, at our best we strolled past them, giving them a football lesson.

our best - is as good as anyones in the comp, and considering the improvement yet to come in alot of our kids, our best, will be better than everyone else in the comp in a few years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:04 pm 
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no way will the bummers win a flag i would be suicidal if the bloody mob from Moorabbin would win.Cannot stand the pricks.Would rather pies win thats what i think of them.But no need to worry CATS,DOGGIES OR CROWS will win :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:42 am 
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They are probably slightly ahead of us now in the development of younger players . This won't necessarily give them a premiership before us .
Lloyd , lucas and Fletcher are still very important to them , but they won't be premiership material in the next 2 years , so those 3 won't be around to help out .
They'll be in the finals in the next few years , but no flags .

We , also , are a long way from a flag . A hell of a lot of improvement needed in the way we play , and in the playing list , and the coaching department .

Geelong , St.Kilda , Bulldogs , Adelaide , Brisbane , Hawthorn are a fair way in front of us right now .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:39 am 
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I Know we all hate the bombers but if you try not to let our "love" of carlton get in the road i actually think they are onto something.
If you break it down and look at things they have drafted really well in the last few years.

firstly there backline A number of key backs to choose from in Hooker Pears Daniher Hurley and not to mention flecther. Do we have this much depth there? No i dont belive we have our only decent key backs are Jamison and maybe Thornton. who else though Bower is overated IMO needs heaps of improvement.

Small backs: they have slattery dempsey and guys like winderlich mcveigh welsh and co who canall go back and play ther hell even ricky dyson has played back this year and looked ok for them. and us well we have Grigg Bently Joseph? Gibbs could play there but they are hardly going to win us a flag that backline so i thin ess have us covered in the backiline.

Midfield. well our midfield is totally awesome we know that but there is underated they have some good players there and i think this is why they keep beating us because we dont respect there mids and they turn up and roll us every time.

Fwds; they Definately have us covered here for this year and beyond even if lloyd and lucas go they still have younger guys in gumbleton and neagle and the likes of hooker and danhier are swing men they can go fwd also. Davey monfries mcphee another even ryder and hille can push down there. Speaking of ryder he can go fwd back and in the ruck seriously who do we have that can do that?

Now lots of you will not like this post but it is true they have us covered at the moment and are definately closer to a flag than we are so i think that alot of us should stopp floggin off over how good we think we are and get used to the fact we are still a fair bit away from premiership


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:20 pm 
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klakker wrote:
They are probably slightly ahead of us now in the development of younger players . This won't necessarily give them a premiership before us .
Lloyd , lucas and Fletcher are still very important to them , but they won't be premiership material in the next 2 years , so those 3 won't be around to help out .
They'll be in the finals in the next few years , but no flags .

We , also , are a long way from a flag . A hell of a lot of improvement needed in the way we play , and in the playing list , and the coaching department .

Geelong , St.Kilda , Bulldogs , Adelaide , Brisbane , Hawthorn are a fair way in front of us right now .


Dunno, b/w Brisbane and Dogs we have won the last 6 games.

Can you imagine if you we ever "in front" of them. :eek:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:21 pm 
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love it wrote:
I Know we all hate the bombers but if you try not to let our "love" of carlton get in the road i actually think they are onto something.
If you break it down and look at things they have drafted really well in the last few years.

firstly there backline A number of key backs to choose from in Hooker Pears Daniher Hurley and not to mention flecther. Do we have this much depth there? No i dont belive we have our only decent key backs are Jamison and maybe Thornton. who else though Bower is overated IMO needs heaps of improvement.

Small backs: they have slattery dempsey and guys like winderlich mcveigh welsh and co who canall go back and play ther hell even ricky dyson has played back this year and looked ok for them. and us well we have Grigg Bently Joseph? Gibbs could play there but they are hardly going to win us a flag that backline so i thin ess have us covered in the backiline.

Midfield. well our midfield is totally awesome we know that but there is underated they have some good players there and i think this is why they keep beating us because we dont respect there mids and they turn up and roll us every time.

Fwds; they Definately have us covered here for this year and beyond even if lloyd and lucas go they still have younger guys in gumbleton and neagle and the likes of hooker and danhier are swing men they can go fwd also. Davey monfries mcphee another even ryder and hille can push down there. Speaking of ryder he can go fwd back and in the ruck seriously who do we have that can do that?

Now lots of you will not like this post but it is true they have us covered at the moment and are definately closer to a flag than we are so i think that alot of us should stopp floggin off over how good we think we are and get used to the fact we are still a fair bit away from premiership


"We?"

Interesting post Lovett...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:37 pm 
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Indeed. It's like a gay guy trying to infiltrate a group of bikies wearing arseless leather pants.

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