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He can - the issue is more to do with the number of times a season that he isnt switched on and becomes a liability during games. I'd say that is happens somewhere between 5-10 times a season (I'm including parts of games here - ie the 1st quarter agaisnt the tigs).

Given our reliance on him for our forward structure and the amount of times he draws the ball, the question has to be asked whether or not we wish to carry the risk of him not showing up mentally as we play more important games down the track (ie finals etc)

Combine the risk of fev going missing with his age (which limits our window of opportunity if we rely on him to be the key forward) I think Fev's position on the list is a reasonable thing to discuss.

My bad!

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Not sure what game you watched, but during the '1st quarter against the tigs' I saw the aspects of Fev's play the commentators highlighed and praised.

Failed to dish off to a wide open player on at least 2 ocassions that would have resulted in easy goals. One at the edge of the goal square (his snap under pressure was a behind) and the other as he was in the pocket (kicked oof).

Those efforts were criticised on radio and on TV.

So two incidents during the '1st quarter against the tigs' is all you've got?

Can't wait for your posts in 2011 to trade Fevola.

Will that be nine years straight?

sack him..,. play jammo there...

Fevolas game wasnt complete... it rarely is... but he won the game for us... and saved us an embarassment against the second worst side in the comp...

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Fev pi$$es me off alot but this is one thing i'm not too worried about. He is a big game player, and let me remind you of big games in the last 6 years. Essendon* and Collingwood plus the finals of wizard cups and that's about it. I seriously think he needs big games to help get him up, mentally.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

And i will add that his first quarter on saturday was as selfish as you'd be likely to see, hence why he was dragged twice. Was very pleasing to see that he can come back from adversity, just about the first time i've seen it.

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Those were 2 glaring examples. Had I gone back to vision and picked out every individual incident of mouthing off etc I'd be accused of nitpicking.

Fev admitted in post match interviews that he didnt do the team things in the 1st quarter and was overly selfish at times during the game.

Despite my criticism of Fev's 1st quarter performance, I wasnt that surprised that he ended up dominating the contest. In fact, given the 15kg (of muscle) advantage that Fev had on thursfield, I'd have expected him to kick a few goals - and when fev starts kicking goals, he tends to switch on and get on a roll...

In the grand scheme of things, his negative actions didnt impact on the result yesterday but the potential for it to do so is why there is merit in discussing trade options with Fev.

yes but we would have lost without him........

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How is Thursfield rated as a full back? Can anyone enlighten me?

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Yeah but imagine it was scarlett... we would have lost to the tiges by a lazy 5 or 6 goals...

then what???

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2 different points - 1 is Fev and his reaction when he is winning/losing a contest, the second is his impact on the team and team performance (wins/losses)

On the 1st point - If it were scarlett, Fev would have stopped trying after being beaten in the 1st (as has happened numerous times in the past where he is being beaten/gets frustrated/loses his head) - which has been my point all along... Fev was expected to dominate an opponent that was 15kgs lighter and hence get on a roll/switched on - it was just a matter of when. Or are you suggesting that you would expect Fev to suddenly extract the digit after being soundly beaten by scarlett etc?

On the second point of Fevs impact on wins/losses following good/bad days - again thats why I'd be open to trading him for the right options. To reduce our reliance on a player that has a tendency to not show up randomly.

I am not in favour of trading FEV although if something special came up we would have to consider it .... BUT ... too many people have the impression that without FEV we would not be able to kick goals ... simple thing is we have won games this year against better opposition than Richmond .. with FEV doing SFA.

Yesterday we must have gone to FEV 95% of the time we kicked into the 50. If Setanta got 95% of the feed going into the 50 against Freo I am sure he too would have kicked in the vicinity of 9 goals.

FEV is not the be all end all ... granted when he is on he is a magnificent player and I am grateful for his genius with the ball ... BUT ... I am also tired of bad, throw my toys out the pram, sooky lala FEV.

It was nice that Ratted dragged him twice in the first .. maybe not keeping him in cotton wool and making him accountable for his actions during the game will work.

Sometimes it just seems we expend a lot of energy getting what we can outta the big lug.

And I have one last question for all u one eyed FEV supporters ... if he was the one who won us the game yesterday .... how many games has his attitude lost us this year .... hmmmm

Its an interesting point I believe.

It's not as if we'd be kicking to no one....other players would take his spot and we'd kick it to them.

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Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the club was seriously considering a trade. The Swans would be the best and smoothest transaction during trade week.

You have ROK who desperately wanted to come to the Blues last year but was forced to stay in Siddey.
You've got Sydney who've lost Hall and Micky O within weeeks of each other.
The Swans have ample cash in their cap, and need a crowd pulling FF.
Fev is also contracted, but I'm pretty sure he could use the extra security and additional cash Sydney could offer for the last 4 or so years of his footy life.

You can rule out anyone giving a top 10 pick - they're like #1s for the next few years.

Saturday was another glaring example of why Fev can't stay. He's too unstable if we expect serious success over the next 4 years.

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Saturday was an example?

Did I miss something??

I went to the game and all I witnessed was a bloke that carried us through for a win off his own boot.

doof, why doeas a 28 YO veteran have to be pulled from the ground twice in the first qtr to be told by his coach that he's not playing the team game and needs to pull his finger out?

Fev admitted he was not doing the team things which, to most normal thinking people, is just astonishing.

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Love the mention of Christiano Ronaldo on the Carlton website.