So Yarran is the next Leon Davis and going to take until 27 before he makes it?

Then I guess it's official that we stuffed up the pick after just three games.

And Rich will develop into Leigh Matthews by the age of 27.

This mindless sniping of Yarran as a lazy HFF and talking in definites about first year players is the reason why Talking Players was closed.

We should have picked Jurrah and kept that value draft pick 56.

Yarran will influence matches like Didak who started out as a forward and developed into a midfielder.

Though Yarran is more powerful and quicker than Didak, so he could develop into a mid similar to Ablett or Burgoyne who are explosive and stand up in tackles.

You're falling into a trap by comparing Yarran to Leon Davis and thinking of him as a small forward just because our player is aboriginal.

How is that racial profiling working for you?

Yarran could even be the next Matty Lappin, but no one makes that comparison because Skinny isn't indigenous.

Skinny started out as a 50 goal a year marking HFF before winning AA honours as a sweeper.

Lappin was a match winner in both spots.

I didn't see the AFL rule that prevents Carlton picking an inside midfielder in the 2009 draft.

Why can't Yarran develop into a strong HFF?

A 17 year old Yarran outmarked Shaun McKernan last year using his body and took it cleanly overhead backing back.

A 16 year old Yarran leapt onto the back of a pack in the 2007 champs and nearly took a great hanger three deep in the pocket.

You can see those highlights on Youtube.

Again with the assumption Yarran is a small forward.

Why are you assuming Yarran will take years to make it

The year isn't over, yet you're already writing Yarran off.

Your attitude is questionable because you think Gibbs is the same sort of player as Ziebell.

Russell counts as a HFF and argument we don't need Yarran?

If you were a lawyer, I'd hire you to represent me.

Oh yeah for sure....weak draft that one..IMO

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Chris Yarran will be fine.

I prefer if they start slowly; then improve. Rich has the body and smarts at such a young age and was No 1 or 2 at No 7 was an absolute bargain. AW got off to a great start then didn't get back to that form in his first game against West Coast. Chris will be the opposite to that and therefore be patient he will be an absolute gun his is just adjusting.

We all knew the Chris Yarran story when it was draft time and I really think it's a bit unrealistic to expect him to have a great first year.

We need to nurture him, his family and his culture just untill he knows he belongs with us and on the MCG and one day he'll know.

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..Kouta, i'll try to reply without quoting so we don't end up hogging the entire page with our quotin' back and forth..

..in regards to Yarran bein' the next? Leon i just went with what another poster suggested, and used Leon purely as a reference.. ..i also later explained why i used Leon as a reference.. ..also, other posters have made mention a few times that it -may- take a few years before he starts playing good consistent footy, and the type of footy we want to get out of our team.. ..and i'm saying that IF it takes yarran, or any top ten non-kpp a few years to come on, than unless they get into the top top echelon of players, they weren't worth a top ten pick... ..and this isn't solely against Yarran, it's my opinion in regards to top ten picks and how the comp is nowadays.. ..especially for a list like ours that really started a complete rebuild only a few years ago.. ..to pout it simply, i doubt our list has the luxury of waiting a few years before our top ten comes good..

..i'm not saying we stuffed up the pick, i'm hoping yarran comes on v.good and not too long a wait.. ..we won't know for fact how our choice went for a few years, but from what i've seen and all the training reports and ressies reports etc etc it seems that Rich would be a better fit for our needs.. ..and it's not mindless sniping on my part, i honestly believe that he's definately not afl ready this year [bottom aged], and i've said as much a few times when watching him play seniors..

..now, if Yarran comes as good as Didak he'll be a good player sure, and possibly yer comparison holds weight, but didak was a yr2000 pick and has really really come good these last couple of years (few?).. ..so if you wanna wait a near half dozen years for yer top ten pick to play good, consistent reliable footy yer more patient than i am..

..and i respect yer opinions though don't always agree with them, so dont feed me this BS about my racial profiling.. ..cos in another thread i was remarking how much Garlett reminded me of skinny and was joking that we shoulda given him skinny's number.. ..as for blues comparisons, yarran's closer to hoops as a HFF than JR.. ..hoops and yarran both known to have exquisite skills, and both known to be 'lazy and unaccountable'.. ..it took us time to drum into hoops a more selfless game style.. ..and we'll need to do similar with Yarran.. .my existing point being we're not a strong/good enough list to take pseudo project type players on.. ..no-one's doubting yarran's skills, its all the other footy components that raise eyebrows, and indeed raised eyebrows even prior to his drafting..

..now sure JR isn't as skillfull as Yarran but he's got the other footy needs met [mostly], but i only brought him up along with grigga and walks to say we have flankers when you raised hff's as a need we have.. ..and while i agree we have a few, we dont have a good in and under midfielder and judd and murphy have altered their games to give us that inside edge, and both are getting bruised and battered weekly cos of it.. ..as for no rule preventing us from drafting an in and under mid next draft [obviously], that doesnt mean we will have quality available come our pick next draft..

..btw i never said Yarran can't become a strong RoK type hff, and if he does [has the body to fill out so physically could be, desire/work ethic to be seen] it would be great.. ..cos thats the kind of hff i think we need.. ..but again, the question marks over how long we have to wait cause concern for me, purely because our list isn't good enough that we can nuture top ten picks for a few years [non-kpp].. ..and really, i've watched his you-tube highlights [havent we all] and while impressive, they're you-tube highlights of WAFL.. ..how many ressie matches has he played, and from all reports yet to really shine it on.. ..thats a comparable level to WAFL [isn't it?]..

.. ..so, i think i kinda covered yer points, give or take. ..i don't know how long it will take Yarran to come on, but some posters who i tend to think know their shizen reckon he could take a few years.. ..and personally, i don't think we have the luxury of waiting so long.. ..i'm not writing off Yarran pre se, more the choice to draft him when we have bigger concerns on our list, and one of those said bigger list issues could have been addressed and also provided immediate impact..

..i mean, lookit our midfield set-up most matches.. ..aside from our ruck, the 3 mids have mostly been judd and murphos, with a 3rd interchangeable and/or rotating thru there.. ..we keep on going on about need to protect judd and murph in the middle, how we need a player to do the blocking and bullocking work, how we need a long accurate kick, we need strong physicality in the middle etc etc etc.. ..and we could have addressed this need by choosing Rich.. ..sure, choosing Yarran see's to another deficiency but it seems that it will take at least 1 year for any help in that regard, and we still have the bigger concern in the middle..

..and no, i think Gibbs is a much better player than Zeibell.. ..you mentioned zeibell as an arguement to suggest that brions missed out cos they went for rich instead of zeibell, i then explained by rich is a better fit for the lions, and also for us and used Gibba to say we've already got that type of player covered on our list.. ..don't forget that the hff/mid type role zeibell played as junior was also how the gibblet was used.. ..how the roo's later utilise zeibell is their decision, just like us using gibbs as a bp/hbf/tagger for 2 years was ours, even though genelg used him differently which impressed us enough to draft....

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I think Yarran is only about a month older than Tiller.....who is someone we probably will not even start to discuss for a couple of years. Let's give Chris the time to develop and get to the level of fitness and work that AFL requires. I like what I've seen so far.

Rich is elite. Yarran is the type of player we need. I hope he can get it together in the next 2 years. You can not be a middle to bottom side and in the Russel instance wait 61 games (5 years for players to be worthy of regular selection) and bring a group of youngsters through as a top 4 side. That's where patience has its limits. Basically, if we had our time a gain no brainer you would go Rich especially since we have Garlett and Stevens will never be a midfielder again. Only Harry Hindsight knew that Garlett would be available and Stevens would fall off the perch. All that matters now is that Yarran comes on. I don't think it matters that all a clubs top 10 selections accord with their ranking, thats not realistic, but its vital that they end up as 150 game players.

Give this guy a full preseason and then we'll see where he is at...

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Absolutely fantastic post up top, Kouta.

Nail, Head, Hit on it.

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Who ever it was that selected Yarran before Rich should lose his AFL coaching accreditation and go back to coach Seniors for Norwood in the Ringwood district league.

and im not blaming Wayne Hughes for this decision.

another poor decision by this club

whoever bags a 17 year old kid in his first year , away from home, who had no preseason, who wasnt drafted for this year should lose their posting priviledges

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

No. The person who wanted him should lose there privilege to coach this club

Whilst you all have valid points - (Melvey included)...the reason we drafted Chris Yarran was to address the goalkicking deficiency as there was a 70-odd goal difference between Fevola and our next best in Betts & Fisher. Therefore - while I'm prepared to give him some time - I'm not prepared to give him too much time. If he reaches his best when Fev's career is done and dusted, then it will have been the wrong choice. A player of Yarran's skill and size should be playing regular seniors next year. Justin Cordy is paid the big bucks to ensure his fitness level enables him to achieve this.

I am hoping the thread title does not come to fruition. I like wine...the stuff that matures quickly and you can pretty much drink within the year and it ages really well too.

it is ridiculously ignorant to think the coach was the sole reason someone was drafted

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

It was a Hughes decision Melvs. Of that I'm sure.

Yarran is a different player to Rich and was recruited for different reason I suspect....one of Yarrans problems is the bar being set by Rich. Its been set very high as showed by his game vs Geelong tonight where he has been brilliant and the same set of standards are being applied to Yaran which is unfair.
Hughes did gamble but i guess thats his right....Im more for the ready made player and would have taken Rich and as Selwood has showed the no upside theory is rubbish....if you are playing at Selwoods level which is nealry brownlow material going by last year then you dont need to improve and I suspect Rich is similar.
Saying all that though we have selected Yarran and need to support him and being a student of the game I find him an interesting player and we should all get behind him and cheer him on and not be comparing him to Rich or any other similar player...he is ours and he needs a fair go...

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Can't believe Yarran is being written off half a season into his career. People need to have a think about some some of the great players in this comp and think when it was when they stepped up. Think about Bartel and Hodge in their first 2 seasons. Then think about some of the guys who stepped up straight away, Judd is one, Brock McLean and Jordan Lewis are another two. These guys are going to develop at their own speed, even the elite ones, look at Murph v. Gibbs.

For the record, I would have taken Rich over Yarran, but I also would have taken Hartlett over both of them. But just cos WH doesn't take the one you wanted, or one of them is playing well, it doesn't mean you start resenting the guy you take. What good does it do? Give Yarran a chance to be shit before you label him that at least. And have faith that the guys who select our players see more than you do, speak to more people than you do, and know more than you do. You wouldn't watch the trailer for a movie and then tell David Stratton that his review was bullshit.

Are you sure?

Wayne Hughes said in an interview which i seen on CFC TV that Ratten gave him a brief and he recruited to that brief.................

Last year it was blatantly obvious we needed a hard nut in and under player like a Sammy Mitchell type.

Was blatantly obvious we lacked hardness at the footy last year.

Was blatantly obvious we lacked players who use the ball well by foot

This kid has all those things we need.

A Yarran type will not make a difference to our side. You can find these Yarran types late in the draft or rookie list which has been proven.

Hughes rated him at 2 overall, Ratts told Hughes to get players who could kick, Rich is the superior kick, Hughes liked Yarran as the superior player. How many indigenous players has Hughes picked over the years? we're not talking about Scott Clayton who would rather pull an x-factor experiment from the tiwi islands than pick the guy with the runs on the board. You're just going to have to accept that Hughes ranked him higher, and you're going to have to wait for him to get on the park before you can write him off. Judging by Fish's show today, that chance may come next week.