Army and Aaron try and break the lines.

Love it when Aaron gets his chance he will try to tap the ball forward because he knows he has the pace to then run onto it and then run away with it. Army is similar but different. He brings his rugby approach to it, tries to break the lines that way.

Only issue with army is his hands can be messy.

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Carlton 'deadwood' They tease us............. then flop

OUT: Wiggins, Edwards
IN: Swearengen, Farnum

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We should have a structures thread

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No way! He'd just p*** the umpires off!

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I agree with all of it except Wiggins...the guy has no idea.

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Massive over-reaction here but probably to be expected on an internet forum.

We have won 3 games by a total of 145 points and lost 4 by a total of 32 points. Percentage is usually a reliable indicator as to how a team is travelling. We have a healthy percentage. I would argue that we could easily be at least 5-2, and have had more than enough chances to win all seven games to date. We are not making the most of our opportunities when they present themselves; we are often in control of games but are unable to fully exploit the momentum when we have it.

I don't know if I am the only one who feels this way, but it feels like we make most of the play but the opposition picks us off too easily on the counter-attack. A prime example of this is the second quarter against Hawthorn; we dominated the quarter from start to finish yet won it by one point. We should have led Sydney by five goals at quarter time, not five points. We have to do better than that because you don't get a million chances against better teams.

So I think we are doing a lot of things right. We have structural problems, to which others have alluded. But we are winning enough of the footy. We are creating enough opportunities to win games. We are not capitalising to an acceptable extent. The only time where we were ruthless in our execution was against the Bulldogs, who many consider to be a top 4 side. Yet we beat them by 43 points which I believe flattered the Bulldogs. So we know that we can play. I believe our best is up there with that of the better teams. We need to just relax a bit and have some faith that things aren't really that bad. It'd be really concerning if we were getting thrashed, but we aren't.

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Totally agree. look at collingwood over the last few years
BTW....I see absolutely nothing in Anderson and I've got doubts on Grigg

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What about Collingwood?

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It's about individuals who are prepared to sacrifice and play a role for the team, not FIGJAM's. I believe we have enough individuals on our list who exhibit this, they just need to be given the opportunity.

For example, who do you think would be more prepared to 'pay the price' for their teammates

- Joe Anderson or Heath Scotland?
- David Ellard or Nick Stevens?
- Setanta or Cam Cloke?
- Sean Grigg or Richard Hadley
- Bret Thornton or anyone else on our list
- Dare I say Fevola or anyone else on our list?

Maybe Ratten has the game plan, just individuals that aren't prepared to toe the line or follow team disciplines.

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I think the point was that too many of our players are better Dreamteam than Supercoach players.

SWEJIN!

Deadwood - bring it back!

Grigg isn't a 100% dead cert but I've seen enough that I'd expect him to be a gun player. He has weapons and the right aggressive, attacking approach.

One of the teams we thrashed hardest is a doormat ...

And we have been expected to win every game so far....

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There is no other way to put it but to say we have been a massive disappointment AFAIC. And a lot comes down to aspects we are yet to properly rectify like proper application and attitude. Selection process and game structure also need to be looked at but I want to see proper effort on the park. Not laziness!

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I agree Ando is looking shaky, Grigg is a 50/50 whether he'll make 100 games.

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ordinary list...always there and therabouts

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Too me this is becoming more and more prevelant.

We seem to look for little bits of excitment or potential in a lot of our players but they are simply not up to it.

Time for the club to make some tough decisions and get games into the kids. As much as I hate to admit it Essendon* are showing us the way by backing their kids and are playing exciting football.

Watch us and we are slow and boring. More like watching Sydney and I hate it. Sides are jumping all over it and we are playing into their hands. Stop Judd and we are stuffed.

Need to cut the crap and put a line through these gusy for the rest of the year.

Wiggins
Cloke
Bentley
Stevens
Edwards
Bentick
Houlihan
Fisher
Russell

Need to get games into the following over the rest of the year:

Anderson
Browne
Garlett
Yarran
Ellard
Bannister
Robinson
Johnson
Austin
Armfield
Pfieffer
Jamison
Joseph
Warnock
Hartlett
Setanta

We know what the top can do and they don't have it. Get games into the bottom list and give them an opportunity to prove themselves.

Also need to look at other options and try some things:

Thornton to the forward line
Kruezer to FF
Joseph & Robbo on the ball
Defence built around Browne, Anderson, Jamo, Austin & Bower and leave them there and let them get used to playing with each other.
Play Yarran, Betts & Garlett together on the forward line under Fev and Kruezer.
Jacobs/Hampson & Warnock to do the rucking.
If Hartlett is too play it is at FB
If Setanta is too play, play him in one position and give him a decent go.

Stop making too many bloody changes in a game and let the players settle. Does nothing for their development throwing them around.

Let the players run and carry and take the game on. Do not worry about mistakes because at the moment our football is reactive NOT proactive!!!

You say we Need to cut the crap and put a line through these guys for the rest of the year: Stevens and Russell

but you wanna get games into the for the rest of the year: Bannister and Pfieffer???

Today is the 25th of May not the 1st of April

you mean like this....

(From AFL website article)


Ratten was more upbeat about the promising youngsters on their way up through the Carlton ranks, despite the lack of consistency on field.

“It’s an interesting one I suppose and there is some hype, which we’ve also generated ourselves.

“We’re the youngest team in the AFL by experience on our list ... I think we’re averaging about 61 games per player.

“We’ve played seven kids under 15 or less games and we’ve had five kids that have debuted this year. We can grow as a group and move up the ladder, but we’re mindful that we need to develop our stocks from underneath.”

Regards Cazzesman

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