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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:44 pm 
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cj69 wrote:
Lets be very clear where we are and where we have come from.

Last few years we have won 4, 3, 4 and 10 games. Guys like Kruezer, Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Hampson, Bower, Jamison, Judd, Austin, Robinson are the nucleous of a side that we will build our team around.

Until we can get more contributors into the game we will struggle for consistent performances.

All in all it is frustrating but it is reality! :thumbsup:


Yes, reality is sweet :roll: but does it deserve a thumbs up?

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I think it's time to lobby the AFL about blockbusters.

We need to put in a request to not play Richmond in Rd 1 next year.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:45 pm 
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Jamison needs to do more. He takes no risks. the days of a FB playing like that are long gone.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:46 pm 
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what is confusing me is that players like Judd, Murphy, Kruz and to a lesser extent Gibbs are getting a lot of the ball which is what we would all hope for but it is not translating into dominant performances - why?

two weeks in a row I have observed that running from half back we struggle/fail at the half forward line - even when we rebound and go through the middle but we are still falling down at the 50 arc. I think the chief is the baramoter for us at the moment. when he plays well we play well .... we need to obviously change this situation

final observation - something is not right with our game plan ... we expose our backs too often tonight how many times was the Freo forward line open.

yes it will take time to get the game plan - i get that - but it does concern me that we have players incapable of playin their role and like everyone else here we desperately need to try something different up forward next week

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:47 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
I didn't like seeing Yarran pat Hill (his ex-teammate) on the back a couple of times, as Hill ran past him, HALFWAY THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER.



Noticed it too. He seems to lack a bit of mongrel. Give it time.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:48 pm 
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Obviously Stevens and Fev are in our best side. But it would be great to see the MC show some fibre after tonight's effort, and seriously turn over the side, including demoting some big names. It might stop us winning next week, but hopefully it would send a long-term message to the playing group.


Lose to Collingwood next week and I'm moving to Egypt


London to a brick we will win next week. That's not the problem. We don't win the games we have to because of a losing culture & a deep seated lack of inner belief. Too often when its hot in the kitchen in must win games we can't stand the heat.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:48 pm 
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As the saying goes "if you have nothing good to say then say nothing", I wont say what i think of Fev, Cloke and Wiggins, just to name a few. We are simply not good enough and i doubt we will make the 8. We have only won one of our past 5 games and the worst part is there is very little in the reserves to bring up. Robinson will at least have a go so he should come in next week. Must say i am not surprised by tonights result, after seeing Hawthorn Friday night. Very disappointing.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:49 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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Obviously Stevens and Fev are in our best side. But it would be great to see the MC show some fibre after tonight's effort, and seriously turn over the side, including demoting some big names. It might stop us winning next week, but hopefully it would send a long-term message to the playing group.


Lose to Collingwood next week and I'm moving to Egypt


London to a brick we will win next week. That's not the problem. We don't win the games we have to because of a losing culture & a deep seated lack of inner belief. Too often when its hot in the kitchen in must win games we can't stand the heat.


Weight of expectation. We aren't handling it.

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weak , insipid, heartless, lazy

what is our gameplan exactly? we dont have one !!

or is it... chip to the wing, hold it, chip down the line, hold it, hold it , let the defence get back in numbers , kick to fev with 3 on him - that is gameplan A

gameplan B - very much like A but to mix it up , we sometimes chip it from the wing back to corridor but this time hold it a bit longer , then bomb it to fev with 3 on him

gameplan C - is to handball to a stationery teammate under pressure , fumble , fumble , tie it up , lose the clearance

we are woeful

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:51 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
weak , insipid, heartless, lazy

what is our gameplan exactly? we dont have one !!

or is it... chip to the wing, hold it, chip down the line, hold it, hold it , let the defence get back in numbers , kick to fev with 3 on him - that is gameplan A

gameplan B - very much like A but to mix it up , we sometimes chip it from the wing back to corridor but this time hold it a bit longer , then bomb it to fev with 3 on him

gameplan C - is to handball to a stationery teammate under pressure , fumble , fumble , tie it up , lose the clearance

we are woeful


Spot on. So you have to commend our players for incorporating all 3 game plans into 1 game. Week in, week out.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:52 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
weak , insipid, heartless, lazy

what is our gameplan exactly? we dont have one !!

or is it... chip to the wing, hold it, chip down the line, hold it, hold it , let the defence get back in numbers , kick to fev with 3 on him - that is gameplan A

gameplan B - very much like A but to mix it up , we sometimes chip it from the wing back to corridor but this time hold it a bit longer , then bomb it to fev with 3 on him

gameplan C - is to handball to a stationery teammate under pressure , fumble , fumble , tie it up , lose the clearance

we are woeful


It takes years and years and years of playing together to learn a gameplan...

patience....

its all under control... u just need to be patient...

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:52 pm 
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Stevens, Wiggins, Russell, Simpson, Cloke, Armfield and Thornton are proving every week that they are not good enough. you simply cannot carry this many blokes. When you add a few question marks in Bower and Hadley, and then the kids in Hampson, Joseph, Yarran and Austin, it quickly becomes apparent that far too much is being left to too few.

For me though, the biggest question mark is Brett Ratten's ability as a coach. We have lost yet another game that should have been a winnable one. I don't give a shit that we are losing them by single digit margins. Fremantle was only just losing all last year. guess what? in the end they were bottom 3. I'm not sure at this stage that we are much better than they were last year. I really think that we are either very over-rated or some serious questions need to be asked as to why Ratten isn't getting more out of the players at his disposal

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:52 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
weak , insipid, heartless, lazy

what is our gameplan exactly? we dont have one !!

or is it... chip to the wing, hold it, chip down the line, hold it, hold it , let the defence get back in numbers , kick to fev with 3 on him - that is gameplan A

gameplan B - very much like A but to mix it up , we sometimes chip it from the wing back to corridor but this time hold it a bit longer , then bomb it to fev with 3 on him

gameplan C - is to handball to a stationery teammate under pressure , fumble , fumble , tie it up , lose the clearance

we are woeful


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:53 pm 
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kezza wrote:
As the saying goes "if you have nothing good to say then say nothing", I wont say what i think of Fev, Cloke and Wiggins, just to name a few. We are simply not good enough and i doubt we will make the 8. We have only won one of our past 5 games and the worst part is there is very little in the reserves to bring up. Robinson will at least have a go so he should come in next week. Must say i am not surprised by tonights result, after seeing Hawthorn Friday night. Very disappointing.


Steven Browne given match time is a better footballer than Jordan Russel
O'hailpin is a better option than Cloke.

That is 3 players already. My point is I just don't see that the coach/mc pick the best side every week.


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:54 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
weak , insipid, heartless, lazy

what is our gameplan exactly? we dont have one !!

or is it... chip to the wing, hold it, chip down the line, hold it, hold it , let the defence get back in numbers , kick to fev with 3 on him - that is gameplan A

gameplan B - very much like A but to mix it up , we sometimes chip it from the wing back to corridor but this time hold it a bit longer , then bomb it to fev with 3 on him

gameplan C - is to handball to a stationery teammate under pressure , fumble , fumble , tie it up , lose the clearance

we are woeful


Spot on. So you have to commend our players for incorporating all 3 game plans into 1 game. Week in, week out.


You mean Weak in Weak out

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:55 pm 
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They should be bombing it long to Carey.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:58 pm 
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Ciccio wrote:
what is confusing me is that players like Judd, Murphy, Kruz and to a lesser extent Gibbs are getting a lot of the ball which is what we would all hope for but it is not translating into dominant performances - why?

two weeks in a row I have observed that running from half back we struggle/fail at the half forward line - even when we rebound and go through the middle but we are still falling down at the 50 arc. I think the chief is the baramoter for us at the moment. when he plays well we play well .... we need to obviously change this situation

final observation - something is not right with our game plan ... we expose our backs too often tonight how many times was the Freo forward line open.

yes it will take time to get the game plan - i get that - but it does concern me that we have players incapable of playin their role and like everyone else here we desperately need to try something different up forward next week


Wiggins ??? Our Barometer?...and therein lies the probem... :roll:

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Poast round 3 v Essendon*, our tackle count was given a going over.

This was the reason we fell away we heard. Get the tackling numbers up.

Tonight we had 75 tackles - only 5 fewer than in Rd 1 v Richmond. I thought we tackled really well throughout the game tonight.

Proof yet again that statistics mean 3/8ths of jack shi'ite.

What lost it for us tonight were handling errors, fumbles if you will, shit decision making - how many times can we handball to a bloke with an anchor up his clacker? - and poor kicking, yet again.

I was disappointed after hearing about the hawthorn game (still not seen it)

Tonight, I'm just furious.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:02 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
FlipMode2 wrote:
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Obviously Stevens and Fev are in our best side. But it would be great to see the MC show some fibre after tonight's effort, and seriously turn over the side, including demoting some big names. It might stop us winning next week, but hopefully it would send a long-term message to the playing group.


Lose to Collingwood next week and I'm moving to Egypt


London to a brick we will win next week. That's not the problem. We don't win the games we have to because of a losing culture & a deep seated lack of inner belief. Too often when its hot in the kitchen in must win games we can't stand the heat.



Just what exactly is that in the context of a non event draft and half decent season (considering) last year?

More like we just don't have the right mix of players at the moment. For instance...no matter how he's coached and what he goes on to do with his football career - Jordan Russell will never be Glen Archer.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:03 pm 
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once again it is the performance of Fevola that decides wether we win or lose ,
we have failed to recruit or develop another half decent forward target and until we do we are going to have disappointments like this

we cant keep relying on mr tempremental we have to get to the stage where Fevolas good perfomances are just the cream on the cake


still think we should try thornton forward - he gives us nothing down back

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