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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:37 am 
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He certainly had his body on the line in 2001 against Ricciuto.



You know it's funny you should mention that one. Hoops was very much a carefree player not worried about any contact at all until Ricciuto put him into the middle of next week. It's that incident that I believe mentally scarred him and he was never the same courage wise after that. That said, his hips are now fine according to him and if he is prepared to give 100% to the contest he will be an awesome player for us. Fingers crossed.

The WCE hip and shoulder was hardly an act of courage.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:08 am 
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Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



That's it right there. Not only would he not have done the courageous thing, I'm tipping he would have made sure he wasn't in the position where he may have to perform such an act.

That's basically what it comes down to this season, not just for Hoops but for Stevens as well. When it's your turn, you must go. No ifs buts or maybes, just 100% commitment to the cause. Anything less, especially from seasoned senior players is simply unacceptable.


You are entitled to say you don't think that, but not to say he wouldn't have done it. It's pure speculation on your part and should be treated as such. There are no guarantees Anderson will do it again, either. He might or might not.
Houlihan may have run in and spoiled and we would all be cheering. Had Anderson NOT taken that mark and cost us the game, we'd be calling for his head and Ratts would have given him the mother of all blisters . A small backman shouldn't be trying to outmark a CHF. It's one of the basics of defence. Good on him for doing it but let's not try and make it the norm here.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:58 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
keogh wrote:
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On Houlihan and a few others I reckon if the MC have some balls Guys like Houlihan will not get a game if they dont put in 100%.
Some of his efforts at times over the years have been pathetic. Simple as that but when you are the best pass around 40m in the team and have skill you are guarenteed a game.

Hopefully that wont happen in09

For the first time we are truly aiming for finals

And then you have
Anderson
Yarran(raps)
Robinson(raps)
Browne
Grigg
and others who are similar players so we have more depth



Look a fit Houlihan is a bonus.

But when he has to go for the ball he has to do it every time.
I reckon previous efforts that were tolerated will not be put up with in 09



..who says Houla's doesn't put in 100%..?.. ..just because he might not have put his body on the line in a few contests [and just a few, ppl do exaggerrate], that doesn't mean he doesnt give his all..near every player out there has at times taken a few short steps..its not always a courage/hardness thing, sometimes a player might ease off, in the hopes the ball might spill out, or to let the opponent get first touch so they can then tackle etc etc.. ..also, playing a person out of position and then complaining at percieved lack of effort is silly too.. ..he plays better as a forward, ergo being dissatisfied with him as a HBF isnt his fault, but rather a coaching issue.. ..as for the players listed, houla's still way ahead of them imo..





Personally i hope Houlihan has a great year.


But I dont think I am exaggerrating.

Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



..well, he has been crunched quite a few times.. ..he didn't get those injuries playing bridge.. ..and in regards to a defender taking a forward hit to take that game saving mark, well that's why defenders are defenders.. ..Houla is a forward.. ..he does things in the forward line that many other players can't.. ..leave it for the defenders to do those things in the D50..





I think from the last response you must be a politician


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:05 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
keogh wrote:
Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



That's it right there. Not only would he not have done the courageous thing, I'm tipping he would have made sure he wasn't in the position where he may have to perform such an act.

That's basically what it comes down to this season, not just for Hoops but for Stevens as well. When it's your turn, you must go. No ifs buts or maybes, just 100% commitment to the cause. Anything less, especially from seasoned senior players is simply unacceptable.


You are entitled to say you don't think that, but not to say he wouldn't have done it. It's pure speculation on your part and should be treated as such. There are no guarantees Anderson will do it again, either. He might or might not.
Houlihan may have run in and spoiled and we would all be cheering. Had Anderson NOT taken that mark and cost us the game, we'd be calling for his head and Ratts would have given him the mother of all blisters . A small backman shouldn't be trying to outmark a CHF. It's one of the basics of defence. Good on him for doing it but let's not try and make it the norm here.





Another stupid comment.Not saying your stupid but seriously have a read of it.


Anderson put his body on the line and he will continue to do it because he has fear like anyone else its just that he can put it out of his head when he has to. Some players can and cant.

I couldnt give a shit whether he marked it or not he put his body on the line for the team.

A small backman trying to out mark a forward shouldnt happen. Anderson was the player there . Brown was the player running towards him.

Without doubt the most inspirational act and the most important act by a Blues player. And you criticise him to help your argument.

flower unbelievable.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:39 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
He's got enough time to play 200 and maybe win a premiership if his body holds up.


I think he will play 250+ games. Very happy to see him back in the forward line


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:21 pm 
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..am not politiking at all, i honestly believe that Houla is a forward, and should never have been played in the backline.. ..if he stayed in the forward line all this time it would have been better for him and for the team.. ..there's a very good chance that the harsh criticisms of him wouldn't be around if he stayed as a forward, or rather not as much criticism.. ..play anyone out of position long enough and you'll see flaws in their game..

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:15 am 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
HELLAS BLUE wrote:
keogh wrote:
Do you reckon he would have done what Anderson did in round 21 last year


I hope if Houlihan is in a similar situation this year he does the same



That's it right there. Not only would he not have done the courageous thing, I'm tipping he would have made sure he wasn't in the position where he may have to perform such an act.

That's basically what it comes down to this season, not just for Hoops but for Stevens as well. When it's your turn, you must go. No ifs buts or maybes, just 100% commitment to the cause. Anything less, especially from seasoned senior players is simply unacceptable.


You are entitled to say you don't think that, but not to say he wouldn't have done it. It's pure speculation on your part and should be treated as such. There are no guarantees Anderson will do it again, either. He might or might not.
Houlihan may have run in and spoiled and we would all be cheering. Had Anderson NOT taken that mark and cost us the game, we'd be calling for his head and Ratts would have given him the mother of all blisters . A small backman shouldn't be trying to outmark a CHF. It's one of the basics of defence. Good on him for doing it but let's not try and make it the norm here.[/quote




Another stupid comment.Not saying your stupid but seriously have a read of it.


Anderson put his body on the line and he will continue to do it because he has fear like anyone else its just that he can put it out of his head when he has to. Some players can and cant.

I couldnt give a shit whether he marked it or not he put his body on the line for the team.

A small backman trying to out mark a forward shouldnt happen. Anderson was the player there . Brown was the player running towards him.

Without doubt the most inspirational act and the most important act by a Blues player. And you criticise him to help your argument.

flower unbelievable.

Harsh criticism indeed.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:34 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..am not politiking at all, i honestly believe that Houla is a forward, and should never have been played in the backline.. ..if he stayed in the forward line all this time it would have been better for him and for the team.. ..there's a very good chance that the harsh criticisms of him wouldn't be around if he stayed as a forward, or rather not as much criticism.. ..play anyone out of position long enough and you'll see flaws in their game..







I agree Houlihan is a forward and should have never played in defence. Thanks Denis.

If he had stayed as a forward he would have still gone for the ball when it was his turn everytime


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:38 am 
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He wasn't developing as a footballer as a young HFF. He needed to be shifted to defense, to learn to read the game, and be led to the ball, so he could develop.

I thought all this was pretty obvious.

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