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I'd check that one mate. The Dominator was only 15 at the 73 GF. Did he go off early after the Sun Kick competition?


Yep....you're right of course....it's amazing how a few Crownies can distort your memory......yeah....reckon the game I could see Dom running off injured was the 1980 Qualifying Final at Waverley vs Richmond......which we lost.


1988 qualifying v hawthorn, pissed down all day, scores level at 3/4 time, lost by a few, dom injured.


I think he was crunched by Dermie and suffered a broke a rib or two. We missed him the next week, when we lost a game we should have won vs Melbourne at Waverley. We would have put up a much better fight in the GF than they did against Hawthorn that year...

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Not sure about a Flag, but we Certainly Pinched a place in the GF of 99, when all Logic said We shouldn't & Couldn't have
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That stat about Rioli doesn't surprise me Siegfried. I've watched that game many times over the years, and I cannot work out how they picked Rioli as BOG (unless it was for....ahem...er, 'political' reasons...)

I suppose it had to be Harmes in '79, not just because of 'that' tap, but the game did change when he moved into the centre...but Johnno was pretty mighty in that game too. In '81, Fitzy was dominate in the ruck but maybe he lost points because he had Stuart Atkin as an opponent (with Collingwood's #1 ruckman & captain Peter Moore restricted to the goal square by injury), while Doull was magnificant on Craig Davis. Fitzy or Johnno should have won it in '82, and Rhys was always going to get it in '87 for his job on Dermie..although, I must admit, Rhys did get quite a bit of help from his teammates, plus the absence of Dunstall upset Hawthorn's structure, and Dermie made some uncharacterisitc mistakes on the day..but, having said that, no doubt that Rhys did the job on the opposition's danger man, and was a worthy winner (...but I reckon Johnno was a bit unlucky again....how good was it when he cleaned up Dipper?!) :-D


1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.
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That stat about Rioli doesn't surprise me Siegfried. I've watched that game many times over the years, and I cannot work out how they picked Rioli as BOG (unless it was for....ahem...er, 'political' reasons...)

I suppose it had to be Harmes in '79, not just because of 'that' tap, but the game did change when he moved into the centre...but Johnno was pretty mighty in that game too. In '81, Fitzy was dominate in the ruck but maybe he lost points because he had Stuart Atkin as an opponent (with Collingwood's #1 ruckman & captain Peter Moore restricted to the goal square by injury), while Doull was magnificant on Craig Davis. Fitzy or Johnno should have won it in '82, and Rhys was always going to get it in '87 for his job on Dermie..although, I must admit, Rhys did get quite a bit of help from his teammates, plus the absence of Dunstall upset Hawthorn's structure, and Dermie made some uncharacterisitc mistakes on the day..but, having said that, no doubt that Rhys did the job on the opposition's danger man, and was a worthy winner (...but I reckon Johnno was a bit unlucky again....how good was it when he cleaned up Dipper?!) :-D


1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.


Not to mention that he was best player on the ground for 100 minutes.... :wink:
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That stat about Rioli doesn't surprise me Siegfried. I've watched that game many times over the years, and I cannot work out how they picked Rioli as BOG (unless it was for....ahem...er, 'political' reasons...)

I suppose it had to be Harmes in '79, not just because of 'that' tap, but the game did change when he moved into the centre...but Johnno was pretty mighty in that game too. In '81, Fitzy was dominate in the ruck but maybe he lost points because he had Stuart Atkin as an opponent (with Collingwood's #1 ruckman & captain Peter Moore restricted to the goal square by injury), while Doull was magnificant on Craig Davis. Fitzy or Johnno should have won it in '82, and Rhys was always going to get it in '87 for his job on Dermie..although, I must admit, Rhys did get quite a bit of help from his teammates, plus the absence of Dunstall upset Hawthorn's structure, and Dermie made some uncharacterisitc mistakes on the day..but, having said that, no doubt that Rhys did the job on the opposition's danger man, and was a worthy winner (...but I reckon Johnno was a bit unlucky again....how good was it when he cleaned up Dipper?!) :-D


1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.


I reckon you're a bit harsh on Harmes, Billy. The winning move was when Jezza took himself out of the centre and swapped with Harmes in the back pocket half way through the 2nd quarter. Harmes gave us a real spark in the centre, and of course his heroics in the last quarter have been well documentated. Johnno, Fitzy and Peter Francis were the next best players for us, but probably 2nd best on ground overall was Billy Picken. He thrashed Maclure for most of the day, particularly in the last quarter. But I think Harmes was the right choice (even though it was very convenient that the 1st winner of the Norm Smith medal was Smith's nephew!! :wink: )

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1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.


Actually.....Year of the Aboriginal was 1993 when (naturally :roll: ) Michael Long got the Norm Smith.....and they also won the GF...... :evil:

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The biggest steals were 1947, 1945 and 1970.

I wish I could have seen the 1945 GF.

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Hey...........

anyone mention................flag.........pinched............and Morans.........?


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1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.


Actually.....Year of the Aboriginal was 1993 when (naturally :roll: ) Michael Long got the Norm Smith.....and they also won the GF...... :evil:


You're probably right. I did say "or something like that." It may have been an AFL initiative. Glenn James, the Aboriginal umpire, did officiate at the game. Or maybe my memory's not what is was...altho I'm not sure because I can't remember what is was like.
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aboynamedsue wrote:
That stat about Rioli doesn't surprise me Siegfried. I've watched that game many times over the years, and I cannot work out how they picked Rioli as BOG (unless it was for....ahem...er, 'political' reasons...)

I suppose it had to be Harmes in '79, not just because of 'that' tap, but the game did change when he moved into the centre...but Johnno was pretty mighty in that game too. In '81, Fitzy was dominate in the ruck but maybe he lost points because he had Stuart Atkin as an opponent (with Collingwood's #1 ruckman & captain Peter Moore restricted to the goal square by injury), while Doull was magnificant on Craig Davis. Fitzy or Johnno should have won it in '82, and Rhys was always going to get it in '87 for his job on Dermie..although, I must admit, Rhys did get quite a bit of help from his teammates, plus the absence of Dunstall upset Hawthorn's structure, and Dermie made some uncharacterisitc mistakes on the day..but, having said that, no doubt that Rhys did the job on the opposition's danger man, and was a worthy winner (...but I reckon Johnno was a bit unlucky again....how good was it when he cleaned up Dipper?!) :-D


1982 was the year of rhe aborigine or something like that. Not that I have anything against such things but the medal choice felt like a fit up at the time.

Same for Harmes also...being Norm Smith's nephew got him over the line as well.


Not to mention that he was best player on the ground for 100 minutes.... :wink:


Definitely not for a 100 minutes. Even Harmesy has admitted that. All I said was that the Norm Smith nostalga effect would have got him over the line against those other players you mentioned. Many people thought Francis or Dom should have won it.
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We thought Dom was BOG.

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The year we pinched a flag was 1987. Hardly the greatest Carlton side but clicked in the finals and was lucky Hawthorn had injuries.
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The year we pinched a flag was 1987. Hardly the greatest Carlton side but clicked in the finals and was lucky Hawthorn had injuries.


Its is said the moment the siren sounded in the 1987 Grand Final – Chairman of Selectors Wes Lofts turned to Robert Walls and said “that’s the most ordinary side ever to win a premiership for Carlton”.

And whilst the likes of Shane Roberston, Mick Kennedy, Ian Aitken and Warren McKenzie will never go down in the pantheon of great Carlton players – the side that includes Kernahan, Johnston, Silvagni, Bradley, Dean, Hunter, Rhys-Jones – will always be hard to beat. :wink:

And the bleating you hear from Hawthorn people about how good they were that season (beating us twice in the Home and Away Season) we only lost 4 games that season (in the first round to Hawthorn by 45 points) and the other 3 games we lost by a kick.

But we beat Hawthorn twice when it counted in the finals – so that makes us Premiers in 1987 (that’s what I’m talking about). 8)

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The year we pinched a flag was 1987. Hardly the greatest Carlton side but clicked in the finals and was lucky Hawthorn had injuries.


Its is said the moment the siren sounded in the 1987 Grand Final – Chairman of Selectors Wes Lofts turned to David Parkin and said “that’s the most ordirnary side ever to win a premiership for Carlton”.

And whilst the likes of Shane Roberston, Mick Kennedy, Ian Aitken and Warren McKenzie will never go down in the pantheon of great Carlton players – the side that includes Kernahan, Johnston, Silvagni, Bradley, Dean, Hunter, Rhys-Jones – will always be hard to beat. :wink:

And the bleating you hear from Hawthorn people about how good they were that season (beating us twice in the Home and Away Season) we only lost 4 games that season (in the first round to Hawthorn by 45 points) and the other 3 games we lost by a kick.

But we beat Hawthorn twice when it counted in the finals – so that makes us Premiers in 1987 (that’s what I’m talking about). 8)


From the moment of Peter Motley's accident we were never, ever, going to not win the 1987 premiership.

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....and Bernie Evans who was suspended.

Peter Dean yelled into the mike afterwards...remember?

"Desi...Mots...Bernie.... this is for you"

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And whilst the likes of Shane Roberston, Mick Kennedy, Ian Aitken and Warren McKenzie will never go down in the pantheon of great Carlton players.....


True....but Mickey Kennedy and Shane Robbo played fantastic games that day......it was a real team effort.

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And whilst the likes of Shane Roberston, Mick Kennedy, Ian Aitken and Warren McKenzie will never go down in the pantheon of great Carlton players.....


True....but Mickey Kennedy and Shane Robbo played fantastic games that day......it was a real team effort.



Yes they actually had great seasons - Mick Kennedy shut down every resting rover he played on and as for Robbo - I recall even Jack Dyer saying that he thought Shane Robertson had the best raking short pass in the game - and from a commentator who called Peter Bosustow "a good ordinary player" this was hardly faint praise. :wink:

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Don't forget Des..........!


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....and Bernie Evans who was suspended.

Peter Dean yelled into the mike afterwards...remember?

"Desi...Mots...Bernie.... this is for you"



Actually Peter Dean is responsible for 2 changes to the medallion presentations after Grand Finals.

After 1987 - they turned off the microphone on the stage when they presented the medals to the winning players - because Dean actually added the word "flower" in amongst his "Desi .... Mots..... Bernie ...... this is for you".

After 1995 - they took the guard rail off the front of the stage after Dean tried to jump over it after getting his medal and he tripped over it and landed on his arse.


So in terms of Grand Final Medal Presentations Peter Dean was batting at 2 for 2. :P

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The year we pinched a flag was 1987. Hardly the greatest Carlton side but clicked in the finals and was lucky Hawthorn had injuries.


Its is said the moment the siren sounded in the 1987 Grand Final – Chairman of Selectors Wes Lofts turned to David Parkin and said “that’s the most ordirnary side ever to win a premiership for Carlton”.


May have been Robert Walls he turned too :wink:

Peter Dean definitely added some colourful language to his salute to Motts, Dessie and flowering Bernie

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