It doesn't matter what I saw - It the MC he needs to impress

If he's going to make it as an AFL footballer he needs to be able to force his way into the team regardless of whether he's liked. If he's spat the dummy because he hasn't been given a run then so be it, but a sulky attitude won't get him far in the cutthroat world of professional sport.

Wojee and Sydney............... i aggree with you both.

i'm not putting the MC at fault here (apart from Pagan who had ample opportunities to promote Aisakie when he was showing good form in the two;s)

Aisakie is clearly a handfull and is a stubborn bastard at best............ I have no idea what is going on behind close doors.

But, He CAN ruck and IS a talented Athlete. I just want to know WHY this shit is going on because both of em have enough skill to be in our starting 22.

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Beano appears to have at least one side of the story behind their fall from favour, but I don't think he's telling.

I like Setanta and while he's still very raw I reckon he does have something to offer, if only for depth and matchup purposes. I haven't seen Aisake grace the field so can only go on the reports I read on here, and it does seem to be a shame that he hasn't had a chance at senior level given his apparent form before this year.

Don't we all want the entire list to show the passion, aggression and committment of Setanta?
Give him a task each week, and he will well and truly earn his spot.
If Thornton showed the same committment, he'd be a better player.
You need players like Setanta in each team....their enthusiasim is infectious.
His skills are quite good, he's one of the most athletic 200cm players in the league, and his decision making is no worse than Grigg, Russell, Bower,etc,etc. He's more value to the team than Cloke(lets kick the ball out of mid air on the wing...and turn it over at a crucial time of the game).

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kingkerna I don't understand your points.

I agree with Synbad re your post....ambiguous...I reckon you're guessing and making out your guess is fact.

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kinkerna did you conveniently forget facts....

...that Aisake was showing really good signs in different positions around the ground in 2007?

Did you forget that he was going to be promoted in 2007, but was struck by OP?

Did you forget that Aisake was promoted from the rookie list in 2007?

You seem to forget a lot...and exaggerate, let alone conveniently ignore good reasons why someone would suggest they expected Aisake to ruck in round 1.

For the record, so did I!!

There's something seriously wrong on both sides of the fence; player and club. As a supporter I want this sorted out, and for the club to put a stop to wasting talent we have selected with confidence by adding their name to our list.

Where there's smoke there's fire.
It takes 2 to tango...you get the drift.

No one knows exactly what's going on, not even you, but there's no doubt imo that Aisake has gone backwards this year...maybe not in potential, but in terms of his welfare and development, I think he has.

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Sounds like you're guessing, and making out your guess is fact.

interesting quoting there, read it all again if you can be bothered, my comment about exaggerating was the 'greatest athlete he had ever seen' part.

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Carlos is no favourite of the coach


If he has spit it thats not good enough either


As for his brother I had high hopes for him because he looks a natural at the game

From watching the doco it seemed to me Carlos has more drive than his brother



Aisake cant get a game in the ants ones

Very disappointing.

Would be great to know the full story.

I think back to before the season started and the conjecture that Setanta was sick over the pre season and lost many kilos and the Irish connection saying no he was told to lose weight by the coaching staff.

Who knows what is real, much like what is going around at the moment.

All I can say is that Setanta is only one of a handfull of players who I have seen do something extraordinary enough at a game that my jaw dropped. However it is now apparant that in terms of output over four quarters his ceiling at the moment is probably good dependable player.

The things I think are bonuses though are the x factors, one his mongrel something we desperately need in the team and two his unpredictability, he has the ability to set up attacking play with his alternative thinking.

IMO he is good enough to keep on the list. At the very worst he would be a fantastic depth player to have on the list of hopefully a top four side in 2 or 3 years time, would be great to have someone like him as a backup for injuries if needed in a finals campaign as an experienced 28-29 year old.

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You make good sense J. Especially the part about the X factor.

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Setanta is injured and may not play again this year as for aisake he will not be at the club next year.Setanta will have to prove his fitness to stay on list as there are fears his injury may be chronic.Time will tell,if I were a betting man both will be gone

are you beyond yourself?

how is a calf injury chronic?

I have always thought that the Irish experiment will fail. But it makes me sad to concede this - because I like Setanta as do many others.

but we will get over it fairly quickly and move on to bigger and better things. it will be seen philisophically by all parties. people will put on brave faces - but short of a major change in fortunes - it will be sad that things will turn out the way that they do.

The problems are to do with temprament. It is true that some clubs are more suited to nurturing these players and heir individual needs than do others.

Some descisions in relation to this may have already been made but will not have been spoken about.

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I was thinking the same thing when I wrote that...too busy...didn't check it, but now will....

yeah, nah, I tried to be factual, but I guess I was leaning towards inuendo in part.

Setanta should remain at least our insurance policy (if he wants to stay); that's all.

Temperamental people are usually a problem to manage, but they sure get results when their energy if harnessed.

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You Got to wonder on the development in Carlton when you see Flint,Jackson,Ohailipin all get promoted then go backwards and possibly delisted 1 year later.

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In soccer I support Liverpool, therefore I hate Man Utd. And this is why this kills me
I read Roy Keane's book, in it he talk's about ferguson being a manager and in being so doing just so.
Keane talks aout him managing staff the club and most importantly, players. He knows how players work and how to get the best from them, no matter what and by any means.
This is NOT being done by Carlton, you all just have to trust me on this. Wojee is right and its not that I am not telling, I would LOVE to to just let the likes of Sydney blue and Melvey and so on, see things from all sides.
Trust enough, and some will and some will not, that its not a case of the boys throwing the rattle from the pram for no reason, frustration can be a very difficult thing to deal with when you are in a box with no way out and no-one listening.

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Yup. There is not enough information for one to develop a truly informed opinion on this matter. I'm afraid reports on SEN are not enough to go on really, and the party line that Setanta is injured at the moment is all we've got.

There is no indication from the Club that Setanta is going anywhere at this stage, and he has only missed 4 games all year with at least one of those through injury we're told. Earlier in the year he was dropped then came straight back in after one week.

He's definitely not in the same category as Ackland, or that which Teague was last year.

I don't know much about Aisake , only what I see on TC , as iv'e never seen him play or train . But I have watched Setanta over & over again on TV and tapes , and we just cannot afford to lose him . Even if he is picked in some games on the bench , he would be a terrific asset to come and plug a hole in defence , such as we needed in the St Kilda game . In any case I reckon he's better value than Thornton this season . Thorntons rainmaker kick on Sunday , when the game was up for grabs was a shocker from an experienced player . Setanta would have looked for someone to kick to , and more than likely hit his target . Heis probably our most accurate kick coming out of the back line . A very good spoiler , and a goer from go to whoa .

Ratts was on SEN this morning & was asked about Setanta.

He said he wasn't playing because of a calf injury & would be back in 2-3 weeks.

He was dropped from the Saints game because the side was too top heavy & didn't get throught the game in the Ants beacuse of his calf.

He admitted that when we have won many games, Setanta was a good contributor to the wins, speciifically highlighting his good efforts on Pavlich.

From the way Ratts spoke, I heard it as Setanta is valued & will be part of our future plans.

I hope Setanta plays many more games for the Blues & has & will be a good solid defender.

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