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Waite has shown himself to be a lot more productive as a defender than a forward, where he has a couple of good games an many poor ones. Waite is exactly the type of player who needs a job to stay focussed. Perfect for the backline

You guys give players a couple of games and then want to drop them. No long-term vision. Waite's spring out of defence is brilliant... and he's not the only player on the list who "sprays the ball".... given his lack of experience in defence I would think this is something he could work on.

As for Fisher... 2 GAMES he's been below his best..... how great was he against Collingwood?? excellent... to drop him "for form" would be absolutely absurd and a huge slap in the face to a guy who's been consistently good for years in the face of shocking supply and injuries. Also, they seem to be playing through him less in the last 2 weeks and have become a bit more ponderous running the ball from half-back - looking to run a bit deeper before supplying the footy inside 50... basically playing over Fisher.

And now we want to play Cloke as CHF - a position he's never played before at league level, when his contests in the ruck this year have been crucial to our success in our wins.

if we want to bring Edwards in, wouldn't it make more sense to drop Wiggo, who has been servicable but hardly represents "the future".

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Agree again Tyrants, specifically I think it would be mad to drop Fisher on the back of a few quiet weeks. We may be learning more about his limitations (second best defender) or it could just be a form slump. But even in a form slump Fisher is better than any other next forward option we have (subject to no changes in the defensive 6).

Edwards is young, slight and may be better in the long run because his hands are wonderfully sticky, but then again he may take a while. We are a team short on forward options and Fisher is a key player for mine.

Like 4thchickens points, who do we have on the list that would be better? Give me a fit and firing Hartlett and maybe but when is he fit, and when is he firing?

If i had the choice i would choose Edwards over fisher



I reckon Fish has been fantastic for the club.For a pick in the 70s he has been fantastic and he has had little luck with injuries.
The supply has been shit and they often dont look forward to him enough

But the fact is he is becoming a one trick pony. His good year last year could be his undoing. opposition coaches drag him away from the goals because
He lacks pace
he is a shit kick and struggles kicking goals from 50
The game is starting to pass him by already.

Edwards has more upside because he is the smae size the dukes are pretty good and what he has over Fisher is pace

Word has it is that he has a high opinion of himself. This may explain why he plays from behind in many Bullant games

From what I have seen he has more upside

It kills me to say this but if i had the choice i would go with Edwards.
And more importantly in a few years our coach will have to make that call

There's a chance you're right keogh but I don't think Fisher's quiet spell is enough reason to make those steps yet. Edwards has a lot of promise and great hands but I don't think he's that smart and I don't think he's that defensive yet so he has a lot to learn (as he should, he's young and in his third year).

I think Fish is having to do a lot more of the upground work in the absence of any real key target and he's not up to it in his current form. he may not ever be up to it, but a 2 goal a game forward with great hands isn't something you give up easy. If we had a proper 5-string forward line rather than Fev, betts sometimes and Fisher sometimes like say Fev, Betts, Fisher, another Betts and a resting ruckman or a big target to break up the lines (Fev and Fish only being 191-192cm) then I dont see why you can't have both Fish and Edwards as both are / promise to be AFL quality. The game has moved towards structured forward entries and allocated space and great marks / hands are a key to this in time.

I dont think Carlton are playing to our strengths yet and why would opposition coaches allow that (plus injuries to many of our taller players)(plus not enough recruiting of zippy forward options).

Our limitation is we dont have a 195cm plus forward to stretch opposition defences and make Fevola and Fisher's job a bit easier.

Why not rest Kreuzer deep in the forward line (playing out of the goalsquare) for a few weeks, be very disciplined about not playing him in the ruck. Instruct Fevola to lead out (what he does best) and for Fisher to play next to or near Kreuzer out of the square.

Kill two birds with one stone.

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Fisher might be a one trick pony but his one trick is really bloody good

His stretching and leading skills are excellent. As a marking target at half-forward he is a really important part of this team.

AND he has played on opposition second backmen (ie Maxwell) and beaten them.

I think part of the problem in the last 2 weeks has been our approach play, and less an issue with Fisher.

Dropping Fisher would be one of the worst decisions imaginable, and show that the MC don't really have any idea about growing this team

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Oh AGRO - you sayer of sooth, you nostril of damus.












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Yeah lets rest him...... rest him in the forward line every week

Nice one AGRO, great thread revival.

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was the rest idea for real? or a crapola media story?
he had the week off in the All Star game and he gets another week off following the collingwood game.

he was rested







(in the forward line)

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Rest him during the week, not on weekends!

God may have rested on the 7th day, Damn good thing that CJ and Special K came to play. Enough about resting.

"But a youthful Carlton side championed by Judd and suddenly spearheaded by young giant Kreuzer took flight." The Age.

Mods, please screw this thread into a little football and kick a KROOOOZE like sausage roll COS IT AINT NO LONGER RELEVANT

KROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZAAAAAAAAA

rest him in October