I'm sick of Caro talking shit and when she gets called out for it she always turns back to the "It's just cos I'm a girl" argument. It's not because you're a girl Caro, it's because you're a flowering halfwit.

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A bit annoying really...these double standards are driving me nuts.
Get's introduced as the most respected female journalist in the country, the tail goes up and the cat's bum is evident, only thing she doesn't do is start grooming and purring....something else pops up about being a woman...and that's small minded and sexist.

Well I see them both as the same thing....aren't they?

Look that show is horrible and the only thing going for it...like TFS is that there is really nothing to compete in it's timeslot.

Do a "winners" type summary show with coaches media conferences and FC would be a goner

Only good aspect of the show is seeing the coaches awards...so that's getting pushed back later and later to squeeze more foxtel ads in.....always the sign of a show struggling (TFS -Almost footy legends still about the last thing on?)

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Yes, yes they are .

*add* In fact, it's a bit like Mark Moron Doran on SEN talking incesantly (?) about Barry Hall, then complaining about how much everyone is obsessed with Barry Hall .

He'd make a great Uni student. He strikes up an argument for the sake of the argument.

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First time I watched it.

Hutchy, is that what that pumpkin face's name is.

Caro saying 'we were accused of tanking' blew me away. Why doesn't she at least have the courage to say 'that I accused you of tanking...'? She said as much in black and white, then didn't have the bravery to followit up. But she did say it again and attempted to remove Ratten's right of reply by following up with ..'we wont talk about that now..'

Shameful journalism. Rubbish show. Hope her t*ts drop off!

When she sits down, he nipples rest on her knees, so I guess that's as good as falling off.

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I taped it but haven't watched it yet.

Doesn't seem worthe bother.

Did they have a Meet the Press thingamijiggy where the coaches/officials ask the rabid journos questions?

Anything that Ratts asked in that or wasn't he there - rather conveniently?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

I watch both OTC and FC and boy does OTC rip FC apart. FC is just like a E! news for footy, where they care more on controversies and off field antics, than really talk about what happens on the field.

OTC talks about the things that really matters. They talked about Hall and also mentioned how no one from WC stood up for their team mate, but showed what Carlton did when Haxwell tried to take Murphs head off, and how our players reacted. I felt so proud. No one threw punchs, but they made sure that Haxwell did get away with it.

I enjoy the analysis of Gerrard Healy and Mike Sheahan, but I can't stand Robert Walls...I know he is the only real media identity that played the game that defends carlton, but he has no idea what he's talking about.

Oh, btw...how good was it watching the winners and on the couch after our team won over the weekend......Bloody Fantastic

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I watched OTC too habib, but felt there wasn't much spoken about Carlton, other than the players standing up Maxwell and how happy Wallsy was.

Not much scrutiny of MM not playing his giant killer on Fev.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

What skeletons is Garry Lyon hiding in his closet?

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Good to see Ratts continuing with his praise towards Jamison as it seems to be giving him confidence.

Caro is the puppet master, she has put so many words in other people's mouths it's becoming absurd. Sure she should be upset with the jokes about her, but if she wishes not to get hit by the Karma train then she needs to stop judging people within the public eye...full stop.

Her intent on brushing aside the Holland allegations is simply disgraceful.

If the story started with the words 'ex-Carlton footballer' the story would be bigger than Barry Hall.

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u mentioned fatman. thats me thats me. well its my car rego at least

So it's a dud show huh?? ...who'd have thought!!...

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There's so much I could say...

I just watched the show and I have say a few things.

1. WTF is wrong Caro's mouth?
2. WTF is wrong with Archer? He looks like he is about croak it when he speaks.
3. WTF has Lyon done to his hair? Try to hold back father time?
4. WTF is wrong with Hutchy's mouth?
6. WTF was that interview about with Ratts? Wasteof flowering time. You could see the barely hidden contempt in Ratts eyes when asked a question by flowered upones with their mouths.
7. WTF is wrong with Ch 9 that they cannot get a desk that does not show Caro's fat legs? Put a curtain to cover up under the desk. It looks cheap [like the panel].
8. WTF doesn't Ratts sit between Lyon and Hutchy rather than sitting opposite them? Makes for shocking TV.

FC is an acronym for Flowering Crap!

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

The contrast between the deferential treatment of Matthew Knights in "the hot seat" after he won, and Ratt's interview was almost too shocking to ignore. The contempt the panel had for Carlton (and in particular, Caro) and Ratten was sickening. And, as has been pointed out by some posters, her deliberate refusal to countenance the "Dutch Auction" affair is very shameful, to say the least. Pity about ethics and integrity, hey Caro...oh, hang on, there's Dick Pratt- quick!! Before you openly declare war on the Blues, let's open the page on Graeme Richmond, shall we...

I agree with everything posted so far. I hope Caro cops more shit from Sam on Thursday night.

PS Caro needs a face lift. Or has she already had one?

I like FC for the fact they're trying to do something different. The desk doesn't work, but they're trying to have a more frank and open discussion where they can make eye contact with the guest.

They try too hard to be controversial and have hard hitting discussion. They also overplay the niggle between each other, especially Caro and Hutchy.

Get rid of Hutchy. Co-hosts doesn't work and he's not going to break any big stories on a Monday night. Rotate Archers spot each week between current players, former players, coaches, journos...even bring in non AFL people. If anyone watches The Back Page on Fox Sports, they rotate panelists and it provides something different.

Add a bit of humor. Just one spot a week would make a big difference.

Meet the Press is a good idea.

The biggest plus it has over OTC is no Mike Sheehan. Yes, it has Caro instead, but not Mike. People like Mike are the reason Dale Thomas is in the Vic squad.

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What TBB said.

I sent an email to Carro stating we weren't happy with the cheap shot given to Ratten on FC. I asked her why she didn't follow up on the line of questioning given she's been all over print, radio and TV stating that Ratten is a 'match fixer'.

Surely someone who spends that much time shouting from the rooftops will have plenty to say when the 'mastermind' of match fixing is sitting not 3 feet from her face .

If they didn't have time to go into it, fine, but why the cheap dig - BITCH!!

I also asked why she has had a go at a coach that she has NO evidence, yet has let off a coach, who firstly sacked an AA defender 5 rounds into season afetr telling him he would not get another game regardless of form . He was also on record saying that he felt compromised because a win would be worse than a loss for the future of the club - Doesn't that sound alarm bells?

I haven't heard back yet .

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Sounds like he's fighting back tears every time he speaks.

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