Thats what football is all about DOA - its all about bragging rights.

We all feel for Josh Kennedy (well I do anyway) - he was a gentlemen and always had time for the kids at Family Days etc - he will be one of the very few ex-Carlton players I will applaud when I see him run out against us.


At the end of the day we know the real reason Juddy wanted to come to Carlton - and that was to get a closer look at that kid who ripped him a new one on that gloomy day at Princes Park in Round 5 2004.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Question or statement ?

DOA its not about bragging rights.. if it was we wouldnt have "won" the trade as convincingly as we did- out attitude would have been "@#$%&! it- Judds on the market.. everyone is tradeable." This was never our attitude.

Didnt WCE demand 3,JK and AW at the start Rob? AW is untradeable.. proves my point- wasnt about bragging rights, but seeing jUdd as an invaluable piece to a puzzle that is starting to take shape.

Come on Josh, you would have given 3 years draft picks to get him here cos "he's the best player in the AFL".

we don't want franklin. any more than we want angwin and norman

How else were we going to get Judd when they asked for Kennedy in exchange?

DOA, you have a unique perspective on the situation, but you must realise that you come at this from a completely angle to us. It's not just bragging rights.

You have an interest in Carlton because of a loved family member of yours who is a major part of the club at the moment. If he went elsewhere for one reason or another, your loyalties would necessarily adapt. Ours wouldn't - we're Carlton till we die.

Most of us in this forum don;t have a temporary interest in Carlton. It is a significant part of our life. Has been since we were tiny kids. My memories of my childhood are at Princes Park and the MCG watching the Blues. It's not the bragging rights, its an abstract sense of connection that is difficult to explain to somebody that does not feel it.

Basically, we all care about 1 thing in this situation - the success of the Carlton Football Club. As sad as it is to see JK go, our aim was advanced today and that is how the situation reads.

We just look at it differently to you.

If you want to understand the mad football fan, read 'Fever Pitch' by Nick Hornby. It is the manifesto of devotion to a football club (and it's more than bragging rights)

BTW, I hope 1AW prospers under the influence of Judd.

_________________
They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Not true. I wouldve given Pick 1 and 20, or 3, JK and 20 as an absolute limit. But that discussion is old hat now.
Look at the big picture HP and tell me Judd wont make a difference, not only by his own performance, but the domino effect it will have on our whole list not to mention the off field gains.
I reckon we have already at least 50-50'd the tra ewithout JUdd even playing the game and it comes in the form of renewed hope.

I don't think DOA means bragging rights about the deal itself.. but about the coup, which is really just kudos in advance for expected wins, which will bring more kudos.....

_________________
Love Cricket? Love me

Yeah I was there,he actually started on Michael Braun(another Echuca boy),the two enjoy discussing that game over a beer.
And yep AGRO I do recognise your role as a facilitator.

So the trade IS about bragging rights ....

First we "won" it ... this post we "at least 50/50d" it already ...

Everyone knows that I never let facts get in the way of a good story.

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

And you have a long list ...

1) No, the trade is about more then bragging rights, but bragging rights are a by product of winnign a trade- as SV said, bragging rights are part of the fabric of supporting a footy club

2) didnt know you were so into semantics- we WILL win this trade, and we have ALREADY 50-50'd it without Judd playing a game..
better?

Can't wait to hear DOAs response............ Thanks for posting on here mate.. is good to read. I know JK leaving was tough, but hopefully this doesn't leave a bitter taste in the players mouths as this is business and I am sure if the club had any other alternative they would have taken it. Players can't say that they can't wait to play with Judd and in the same breath say we shouldn't have traded JK.. unfortunately in this situation the two are not mutually exclusive.

Ok ,if it were Andy Walkz put up for trade,I would have advised that the current contract be adhered to regardless.
Simple as that.
And the rest could please them faaaarking selves.

And you can bet it has well and truly opened the eyes of all players on the list ....

We are carlton, @#$%&! the rest - thats what we like to proclaim. When push comes to shove, we have inevitably wilted these past few years. We did so again this traded period.

The position that the club put kennedy in was disgraceful - particularly given our position in the PSD. We should have advised kennedy to take 24hrs but then recommit to the blues (and know that in doing so he would have had the full support of the club). We could have then gone to WC and told them to either take a lesser deal or lose judd to the PSD.

Yes, we might of ended up pissing off WC, but our list structure would be stronger moving into the future had we retained JK (and perhaps even pick 3+20 if it went to PSD). We could have dealt with the consequences of pissing off other clubs by paying slightly more in future trade periods to address certain needs once we have the talent in place (ie when we feel we have the talent in place to challenge offer 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks for a ruckman etc).

Our administration were struck with judd-fever - and as soon as that happened we failed to aggressively push our advantage over WC during the trade period. We went for the short term gain (on field performance, memberships, merchandise etc) at the expense of our the long term development of our list.

We are carlton, @#$%&! the rest - yeah right.

Actions speak louder than words.

In the end, the way footy was 30 years ago or so is so foreign to the way it is nowadays. The professionalism that has come into the game provides kids like Andrew and Josh the opportunity to make a very comfortable living for themselves doing something they obviously love doing.

The downside of it all is that they come to be regarded as pieces of meat more than human beings - whereby you are only useful until somethying better comes along or you are expendable in some other way.

That's two sides to the coin and perhaps our club has participated in the creation of this system over the years more than most.

While I am extremely happy we have signed Judd, I want to thank DOA for ensuring we do not fail to forget that AFL players are still people, human beings, many just young kids forced to grow up in a real hurry, stumbling and bumbling around trying to make their way in the world just like the rest of us.

The defence rests Your Honour.