Hmmmmmmmm, $350 is indeed a bit high.

Good on him for a great season but WOW! $350k?>???? WOW!

Ummm, yeah. Not too sure about this one guys.

Anyway, onto more important topics, why isn't Bower & Setanta signed up? I'd be considering them both my top priority.

_________________
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

$350K is fair enough for Carrots.

We have a lot of cap room at the moment and we do need to pay 95% of it. Lance is in for a pay cut, Koutas finished, Skinnys gone, we have the room.

Also the cap increases next year, I believe.

He is the Nichols medallist and deserves to be paid well for that effort. From a morale point of view this is important.

Finally, If its only a 2 year contract by the time our kids are up for renewal in a big way, we can renegioate. Ideally it will be front ended as well.

$350K is really not that big a figure in the scheme of things.

92.5% actually.

Has anyone flagged the idea that these might just be the maximum figures for performance based contracts?

_________________
29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Carrazo 1, Scotland 2 for all 3.

I said this would happen three or four months ago re our list management in a few years and was severely bagged for it. The reality is already starting to bite, folks.
In three or four years we will have to offload someone we don't want to, just to keep a reasonable list together. It will be a Murphy/Gibbs/Kreuzer type who is worth a heap but we won't be able to match the other teams' offers because we have to pay everybody what they are seen to be worth. People were saying it on the 'Get Kosi' thread. Offer him the world so StK have to pay him more and stuff up their TPP.
Welcome to the future and a socialist AFL.

_________________
Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Can you name one Murphy/Gibbs like talent that has been squeezed off a list in their prime due to salary cap constraints???

..it won't be easy to keep 'em all together, but it is possible.. ..lions kept their stars together during their peak years, as have the eagles..and to a lesser extent the saints.. ..we just need to get creative..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

To keep our list together, we're going to have to exceed the salary cap. We can either do this the Brisbane way (getting AFL sanctioned salary cap relief) or do it the West Coast way and ensure our players have financial incentives that aren't **cough cough** included in the salary cap, to stay at the club.

Having said this, of course I fully understand that our club was the only one to have ever cheated the salary cap

Essendon* had to let go a few players a few years ago.

Heffernan, Blumfield and Moorcroft were hardly elite though.

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

There's a lot of panic about this stuff which seems a little misguided from where I'm sitting.

2005 - $100.8 million ($6,300,000 per club)
2006 - $103.6 million ($6,427,812 per club)
2007 - $111.1 million ($6,943,750 per club)
2008 - $118.9 million ($7,431,250 per club)
2009 - $123.3 million ($7,706,250 per club)
2010 - $127.4 million ($7,962,500 per club)
2011 - $131.6 million ($8,225,000 per club)

Carrazzo and Scotland's contracts are for the next three years. I've never been a fan of ridiculous player contracts (Kouta, Campo, Lance) but keep in mind the fact that the salary cap is up 7.3% this year, 7.0% in 2008, followed by 3.5%, 3.3% and 3.3% increases in the years 2009-2011, resulting in an overall increase in the salary cap of 27% over the five years to 2011.

These two players' contracts will finish at the end of 2010 - a year in which the average player wage (for a 38 player list) will be $209,539 not allowing for veterans list etc.

Next year the average AFL player wage will be $195,559. Considering Carrazzo's just won the B&F, the fact that we have a large number of players on far less than the average due to their youth and the fact that we have to pay 92.5% I'm not sure who else deserves that sort of money more than Carrots.

In Scotland's case $400K seems a touch high but not completely out of the region of what he's worth and what we need to pay to comply with the 92.5% rule. If they come back to about $360-380K (and keep in mind that it appears the club's not happy with $400K) then it's probably about right.

Hopefully we're also looking at incentive based structures as part of these deals to offer the club and the player a little more flexibility.

_________________
“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Caracella was average after leaving Windy Hill too.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I knew I'd missed one.

I kind of think the salary cap thing was Sheedy spin for getting rid of average (Heff, Blum, Moor) or injury prone (Caracelle) talent without looking like the bad guy.

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

Sheedy talks them up to all be superstars to maximise trade values but rarely has he let a genuinely good player go.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Whilst guns like Henneman were kept to on the list for reasons yet to be explained.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Rumour is he has in his possession photos involving Sheedy, a sauna and a goat.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Top post GWS. I love seeing facts to put things in perspective. I still think Carrots is asking a little much given he has only played one good year, but at least we know its not over the top. I think a base of $250k with incentives if he reaches certain KPIs would be the way to go. ie top 5 B&F = $100k, top 10 (6-10) = $50k. But I guess Icke would have all that covered and we should just let them do their job and stop interfearing and making wild assumptions.

Great post GWS.

I must admit that I forgot about the cap increases, and therefore it is difficult to callibrate one's mind to assess a player's worth as the cap increases.

Even with your info, I'd still be disappointed if Carazz got 350k. In my opinion he's max 275k, 300k if he's lucky.

I'd rather chuck an extra 100k on Gibbs and Murphy's contracts foir next year, get them to invest it safely and tell them to remember our gift at future contract negotiations.

_________________
They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Where do I sign to join the group?

$400K a year for 3 years? Pfffffffttttttt...

As someone said, if he wants to head down that path, he will have a new jumper next year.

Didn't Thornton have trouble making $300 000 a year after 4 great years or so.