Maybe we should send an email to Denden?

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I can see a practical solution to all this.

Have our midfielders kick it to other forwards.

Kick it to Fevola is our Plan A, B and C. They triple team him and block him out of the contest. Sure there's plenty of illegal stuff goes on there, but in the end 95% of that stuff gets missed, Fev chucks a lolly and we have blokes getting cold hammies from not having the ball kicked to him.

I watched Chris Bryan kicked 3 goals in 10 minutes for the Scum last night. That would never have happened to him playing for us because he would have had zero chances of being one-out in our forward line nad having the ball kicked to him.

Yes Fev gets a bum deal, but by concentrating 90% of our attackes through him we compound our problems when he is shut down.

What we need from Fev is LEADERSHIP. Dummy spitting each week is exactly what a team full of youngsters does not need. We all know that some forwards get a better deal from the umpires. Lloyd has been looked after for years! With Stevens out we need our senior players to step up and lead by example....in any sport it is amazing how on field leaders are able to bring out the best in younger players. Fevola is a great player and should become a leader at our club - opposition clubs would love to have him. At the moment he looks more like Richardson. Pagan needs to show him a tape of how Tredrea or Brown conduct themselves every week like leaders! I am critical of Pagan for the way Fev has carried on lately....surely as senior coach he is responsible for bringing out the best in players not letting them carry on like pork chops. Fev is a game breaking player in a team that needs him at his best. Sure he was triple teamed against the Saints - but doesnt that free up other avenues to goal?? Forward delivery is another topic...............

We cant set up a true crumbing structure because our forwards are instructed to be accountable and defensive - which on face value is correct BUT

St Kilda flood back so we flood our own forward line by manning them up -so our forwards are now defending defenders rather than attacking and making their defenders accountable.

Our game plan and midfielders dont help the situation when 95% of the time we are kicking it long to Fev and the opposition know this - their defenders dont need to worry about our other forwards - hence the 3 and 4 on 1 against Fev

Problem is the 4 on 1 becomes 7 on 1 when our forwards "being accountable" on their defenders - FOLLOW THE DEFENDER("loose man") to the contest - so now not only are there opposition defenders in Fevs way but also his teammates - Thats how Fish copped a sore cheek and how many bloody times do you see Lance in Fevs way - such a crowd doesnt make eddie betts or any other crumbers job overly easy

If we ever had a true half forward line they could defend the ball on on the rebound whilst our other two forwards FORCE any loose defenders to be accountable and our midfield could help by looking for our other forwards - having a half forwards line would also mean we could set up the attack across half forward instead of bombing long over the area to the crowd we help form.

Fev Lance and Eddie should be deep and leading up - kennedy should be leading directly up the guts and through the centre half forward spot and then a host of mids cover the other half forward positions

Its frustrating enough watching Fev get crowded and subsequently belted and no free kicks imagine being in his shoes - his teammates dont help the cause - he doesnt need the maggots compounding the issue

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

i don't agree with the way the game is umpired
i don't agree with all the rule changes
i don't agree with all the changes in interpretation

but we all know if you put your hands in the players back, even if they are only there for a split second and there is no force, you leave yourself open to the umpires interpretation

so why do players continue to put their hands in the back?

why can't they be smart enough to turn their body slighly sideways and use their hip or even their shoulder, to keep their opponent under the ball.

we are talking about highly paid professional footballers, surely they can see things are not working and they need to changes the way they go about things.

it's quite simple, if you are getting pinged for hands in the back, stop putting your hands in the back.

actually here is a novel idea, how about fwd's start playing from infront.

surely the players up the ground can see he is 3 on 1 and chose a better option to kick to.

we are talking about highly paid professionall footballers, the top 600 odd in the county
you don't need a coach to tell you, if there is a 3 on 1, you look for a better option.

And if Fevola is getting his arms chopped and hands and arms in his back why is he not getting free kicks like he was getting during the NAB Cup.

If the Umpires want to be treated with any modicum of respect - they should call it like they say they do AS THEY SEE IT, but we all know that is complete piffle.

They are a complete pack of cheats and prima donnas and their manager Jeff Gieschen is complete @#$%&! moron.

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Pretty sure if FEV didn’t play we probably wouldn’t kick a goal all game...

When the team plays well Fev kicks a bag of 8...

When the team plays bad he still kicks 3-6 goals

He is our only leader in the team...

We need a new forward structure...SIMPLE, we can’t keep relying on Fevola kick all our goals

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The umpires are puffed up little prima donnas evidenced last week when a decision was paid against Cam Cloke. Cloke was heard on the umpires mic saying "You've paid your decision now stop talking to me".

I'm tired of umpires critiquing players with "You were faking" or "Stop being silly, nothing in it" when they should just shut their mouths and pay the frees as they see them. The one concession I will give them is that they have the most incompetent organisation in the country giving them direction.

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take their flower microphones off them - giving the umpires the microphones has contributed to them thinking they are are part of the show

i dont want to hear what they have to say im sure im not alone.

theres a 50/50 call in front of goal - run in pay it to the attacking team - boos ensue - and the camera focuses on me and i can talk shit and be on tv for a good 10 - 15 seconds at least - thoughts like these would flow through umpires minds im sure

attention seeking pretentious prima donna wankers they are

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I agree with some of your points BUT the point I was trying to make is that he is not acting like a LEADER!!!Those of us involved in footy clubs know that the way he has carried on in some games will get you nothing from the umps....usually the 50/50 decisions will go against you. Yes Fev is a leader in terms of ability and yes one who kicks goals even when we lose.

Maybe he would kick even more with a better set-up up forward. We continue to kick it to him when he has 3 opponents (which would frustrate any player), very one dimensional. If we found other avenues to goal the 2 extra players may leave him alone to pick up their own men. Watch the way Brisbane open things up when Brown is double teamed. They manage to get him free often enough.

It is wrong to say Fev is our only leader - give some credit to Lance who is improving each week??
I keep thinking- isnt it un-Australian to sook too???!!!

It's Australian to consider a spade as a spade.

Black = Black

Bias Umpire = Bias umpire

Wrong decision = Wrong decision

Maggot = Maggot

Scum = Scum

Filth = Filth

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OK Fev should keep carrying on the way he is. We are the only team that get crap umpires that are bias.......great theory!!!!!!!What game have you been watchin?Play some footy and see where his type of antics get you.

I don't mind a bit of a spray against the umpires, but I have to say some of the stuff in this thread is pretty farcical.

On Fox's On the couch last night the panel made a throwaway comment that players such as Keith Greig got more free kicks than a guy like Leigh Matthews. It was in the context of the growing theory that Chris Judd gets a free ride from the umpires. We can debate the merits of their claims all day and I agree, umpires should call it as they see it, regardless of who the player is. But the facts remain human beings can be inconsistent and often times let their decision making be affected by some sort of pre-judgement. As highlighted from the Greig/Matthews comment this inconsistency is not new to our game.

Take the Aaron Davey bump from the other day, or even the Goodes hit from behind. As far as media froth and bubble goes those two incidents barely rated a mention. Swap Davey for Byron Pickett and Goodes for Barry Hall and you'd have had people screaming for blood for those two incidents. Why? Because players get pre-judged based on their previous record. Is it fair or totally just? Possibly not, but you can understand why it happens.

I'm not really all that much into the whole hippie side of life, but to a degree I do believe in karma. If Chris Judd gets awarded more free kicks because he just shuts the @#$%&! up and plays the game then good luck to him. If Fev isn't getting paid free kicks because he sooks to the umpires then, bad luck Fev, pull your head in becuase until you do the situation will only get worse.

Moreover, the longer we as a club allow Brendan to carry on like that on field the more we become culpable for any alleged bias against him. As far as I see it the club has a responsibility to put measures in place to ensure Fev deals with these problems in a more mature and composed manner. If that's through a mentoring relationship as I suggested before, great. If it's through making an official enquiry with the AFL, great. If it's through sending Fev to anger management classes, great. I don't care how it gets done, but the current situation cannot continue.

If it's not bad enough that he carries on like a spoilt brat every time he reckons he gets a dud call. It's worse that he still carries on while the ball is still in play. Have a look at Fev's eyes next time he throwing a tanty at the umps. Then you'll see who is really trying to get their face on the big screen.

I'll defend Fev to the hilt for people that say he never has a second effort, or that he has always been lazy. But on this matter, Fev is costing himself, and costing his teammates. It has to stop!

On top of that, he did put his hands in Gwilt's back. The umpire made the correct decision.

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camelboy wrote



I understand why the umpires do that, but all I'm saying is that they are not making the right decision. So if Fev shuts up and does nothing, there should be some officialdom from the club that does. Other clubs do it, and they turn things around.



I do understand, and I wish fev wouldn't ham it up and attract the sorrt of negative attention he is getting from the umps.



That's another place it hurts us so badly that it is without question inexcusable. He must focus on the ball when it's still in play. He must learn that.

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Sorry maca, I don't want to get personal, but there you go getting personal and are a sitting duck.

Too easy to have a shot at.

I think you missed my point. I'm not into sooking, I know that the umpires are not calling it as they see it.

Speaking of OTC with Gerad Healy (who has shared many a bad behaviour with me in the past as young Peninsula boys did/do), he spotted the wrong calls and also spotted the antics that don't help him in the future with the umpires.

Now Maca,

I know you're being a smartarse, and I do want to give it to you right now big time for the personal shit you're dishing my way...(not appreciated one bit)...you're being a smartarse...but because you're a blue...

... let me say it in a civil manner, that it's not "theory" I'm preaching, it's fact, and I have played a lot of footy, and won flags galore, and do watch a lot of footy, day in, day out, because I can (I'm my own boss, and watch every game with passion and a couple of beers, when I want to....everyday...and then I go out satisfied...that I've seen it all, and I have done what I want to do). I'm a good judge on what I see. I discuss footy with current and former players...I'm fanatical about footy and life in general. Does that help answer any of your questions of me?

You don't even know me...but I think if you did you'd find I'm alright believe it or not

UMPIRES SHOULD PAY FREE KICKS THAT ARE THERE...and I don't give a rats arse about the other teams and the treatment they receive...I'm only concerned with CARLTON...I'm a @#$%&! CARLTON fanatic...now get that straight jacket for me would you!

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Pagan never bags the umps while every other coach tries every trick in the book to give them a back hander in the pressers. This tactic doesnt seem to work in our favour. Where is the karma there?

Fevs hand was in Gilts back but it wouldnt have been called at the other end. Fev also would have been penalised if he snapped gilt the way fraser did Carlos.

Lift umpires. Join us on our way to glory.

....and if the umps give soft game turning frees to Didak and Holland this year i will jump the fence(i wont because i will be at a good mates wedding ).

why cant the 3 pricks meet before a game and agree on rules interpretation -

one thing thats a free down one end is not a free down the other end

so frustrating

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Fevola did slap Gwilt in much the same manner that Gehrig swiped Carlos.

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nah that was different.

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If management are not supporting their subordinates who are following team rules and being treated unfairly, subordinates will retaliate, it's human nature, and then we have chaos.

Gotta have karma and consistency.

Pagan could easily say in the media that "It's good that Fev didn't retaliate when umpires didn't pay him free kicks that were there....he could have bagged 10!!" that is after he kicks a bag of 6-9 goals; that's what I want to see, off field niggling.

Making sure we [Carlton] are in the picture (on their radios and TV's) when wrong needs to be made right....ie Having a dig back.

It's Australian to stick up for your mates.

I don't expect Pratt to, but I expect the coach, the MC or board members to have a go at any bad treatment to any Carlton player...because we've got to play the game right so that the cards fall our way when they have to.

It's human nature for an umpire to not pay a crucial decision against Carlton in a grand final when they know what's coming from Carlton officialdom if they are deemed to have done so. The fear has to be ground into the umpire fraternity. It takes time. It takes years.

We've got to wear them down with rebuttle, becasue they sure have worn us down for the last 5 years...and now it's happening in the 6th....we must push back.

I say put an end to it, and call their bluff....have a dig at bad umpiring for the CFC...and ask them that it doesn't continue.

If officaldom retaliates against umpiring, mediation or a 'please explain will follow, after mediation you'll see a reprogramming of the umpires by the Geishen's of our footy world...and we will benefit from our arrogance....for the sake of fairness and all things Carlton.

Gotta get the arrogance up again as we rise up the ladder with our monster kids. 2 more years and our kids are playing finals footy for a long time...so protect them now...it's got nothing to do with sooking!

It's our duty!

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