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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:19 pm 
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The board are completely incompetent and will do more harm for the club than good!

Greg Lee and Sticks can stay on.. but thats it!

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And I don't understand your motives jimmae. :?


GWS says yes

Jimmae says no


You're missing the point!


No, that sounded about right..

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No need for anyone to get too frightened of Elliot the bogeyman.

The ACCC ensured he's not going to be sitting in any boardrooms for another 8 or so years.

Regardless of whether or not he supports the replacement of the current board, let's not start jumping at shadows.

Elliot is gone forever. But there are plenty of Carlton people who he himself would endorse and personally believe would make a viable alternative, and we shouldn't exclude them from the club on the basis of that support.

If Elliot came out tomorrow and said he agreed with Brown, would that immediately invalidate Brown's involvement?

It shouldn't.


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Carlton simply cant afford to stay with Pagan.

We will start moving forward the day that a new board takes over.

From the way I look at things, people with some of the of old Carlton boldness and ruthlessness really are needed now to create the necessary changes.

If we do not, this club will be stuck, stranded for the next two years or so.

There is a saying - 'Fortune favours the brave.'

Well in many ways, this applies very much indeed to the people who might be planning a board challenge.

I suggest that in this instance there will be a particularly glittering prize that eventually awaits those that choose to be brave at this time.

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If we have an alternate ticket forming, it needs to be a direct swap style and EGM spill I reckon. CarltonTwo if you will. We need more than Fraser speaking out. We needs ideas, we need vision and we need impetus. More importantly we need names and faces selling their vision.

Will the real Carlton leaders, please stand up.

Your time is now!

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This article says a similar thing.

http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=88015


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Speedy,
Do you think Greg Lee should resign from this board and 're-position' himself?

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John M rationally wrote

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No need for anyone to get too frightened of Elliot the bogeyman.

The ACCC ensured he's not going to be sitting in any boardrooms for another 8 or so years.

Regardless of whether or not he supports the replacement of the current board, let's not start jumping at shadows.

Elliot is gone forever. But there are plenty of Carlton people who he himself would endorse and personally believe would make a viable alternative, and we shouldn't exclude them from the club on the basis of that support.

If Elliot came out tomorrow and said he agreed with Brown, would that immediately invalidate Brown's involvement?

It shouldn't.


It shouldn't.

Elliot had his heyday and probably deluded himself that he could get the club through the AFL's intent in executing "Operation Catharsis: Target Elliot". He had long lost his power, when he fell from the dizzy heights of his financial prowess. He knew however how to use the judicial system fend off the AFL wishing to investigate our books, or threat to take away our draft picks, but they got him before he could save his skin; and took Carlton down with it. Maybe he could have cut it, but he didn't.

Fraser Brown may become one of the clubs best adminstrators in the club's history. Who knows. I know that if a president/ board member wants to put money in to achieve their charter, with the Carlton Football Club at heart, he's out to succeed. Good luck to whoever is there at the time, as long as they are the best candidates at the time.

Thank god alternatives exist and we get a choice. Imagine if noone wanted to run a ticket!! Crikey!

The current board are remnants of the interim Collins ticket, and that aint going to last for 1 year let alone 2-3 years. They have no fabric about them, after all they are the Post Elliot Ticket that the members voted in, hastily picked and put together, with a couple of ex players and even added a token woman for balance, if not anything else; and we appreciated their courage having committed to such an unenviable job. "It's the board we had to have when we didn't have a board".

I'm sure that the future is blue skies.

It's going to look ugly, whatever happens in December, because the media will lap it up, and us, the supporters, are going to contribute to the divisveness. But it will settle, and hopefully we have a board and coach that's going to grow with this very big group of 30 kids into the next decade.

May the best ticket win.

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I would really hope that any new board would embrace Kernahan and Greg Lee. I think they are our future at the moment.

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bondiblue wrote:
I would really hope that any new board would embrace Kernahan and Greg Lee. I think they are our future at the moment.


Can not agree on Kernahan. He is too closely involved with some bad decisions and this weeks events ahs shown he is not up to it. When I heard his "speech" on radio today it became very clear to. To personally and publicly attack the main football journos in this town, when we are lacking good press, can not attract good sponsors and have a damaged brand is stupid and irresponsible. And to say "We are Carlton - Fxck you" shows a complete lack of judgement. Looks to me Sticks is one of our main problems - no matter what a great footballer, captain and "bloke" he is.


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Fraser also couldn't understand the rush to get rid of Pagan and appoint Mitchell; all in one day?

"Why not spend at least 2 or 3 weeks looking around" he said......if Pagan simply HAD to go?

So many questions unanswered.....and so many conflicting opinions.

I was interested in Browny's reply when the SOS Asst. Coach situation was raised as to his suitability in his opinion.....he kind of hedged and mumbled and really didn't give an opinion....I think he said "I don't know about SOS"......it wasn't an enthusiastic nod of approval.....definitely.

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I reckon Sticks is feeling the pressure and knows that his time may be up.

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Sticks will be part of any board.
anyone who thinks he wont is deluding themselves.

The problem with Sticks is he isnt board material to make decisions. Dumb boards assign him important tasks.
He is just a guy that you keep around the club wind up every now and again and have him push a message.
Everyone loves sticks but youre a dumb board if you give him too much credibility with important roles.

Id keep him... and id be the keeper of the remote.

He can still be useful....

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What we need is a Sticks-o-Matic.

It's a Sticks robot that you just wheel out now and then to say a few token words and then he goes back in the box.

It works totally to your instruction though - and doesn't drink either.

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Fraser Brown in Sunday's Age (with more from Ratten and Fevola)...

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 83402.html


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Brown, who was prepared to bankroll much of the million-dollar payout that would have been required to remove Pagan, said he did not have anyone in mind "at this stage" to replace the coach. But he believes the board should have sacked Pagan and considered a new coach over the coming weeks. "Why did they have to make a decision on Barry Mitchell straight away, that night, that minute, as if it was final hour stuff — couldn't the review have continued for the next couple of weeks?" he said. "For a board to carry on how they've carried on is just absolutely untenable — absolutely unbelievable. There's some that should walk."



And in the Herald Sun...

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html

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i think the recommendation was for Mitchell because alot of players and ex players were asked about his abilities. They gave Mitch the thumbs up.
The problem is he isnt the name alot of people want to hear..

Its got nothing to do with his abilities more to do with the perception of him as a name coach.

Caro laughed at him.. so he is no good.... But what would Caro know????...

they just get scared away by everything...


We have our heads up our arses and want a modern day Barassi..

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Big names are really good.

Look at that coaching legend Pagan. :roll:

The board is more interested in window dressing then results.

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George Harris wrote:
Big names are really good.

Look at that coaching legend Pagan. :roll:

The board is more interested in window dressing then results.



Ill tell you what theyre scared of... Last time we found a no name coach it was Brittain,.. and theyre shit scared now... and the fear of death has been put into them from critics.

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Ratts is one of my favourite players of all time but he compromised himself yesterday.
He was asked if Pagan should be retained on MMM and dodged the question preferring to pump up his own tyres.

When forced to give an opinion, he endorsed Pagan.

Now thats fine if he believes in Pagan but I suspect the man who has sent out resume's to all the Melbourne clubs is looking after his own interests.
There seems to be a hell of a lot of that at Carlton at the moment.

No doubt Fraser Brown would be bemused by the actions of Sticks, Ratts and SOS in recent days.

Flip Flop Football club. :(

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Synbad wrote:
i think the recommendation was for Mitchell because alot of players and ex players were asked about his abilities. They gave Mitch the thumbs up.
The problem is he isnt the name alot of people want to hear..

Its got nothing to do with his abilities more to do with the perception of him as a name coach.

Caro laughed at him.. so he is no good.... But what would Caro know????...

they just get scared away by everything...


We have our heads up our arses and want a modern day Barassi..

There's one of the major reasons this board is pathetic and should be removed asap.

No ability to sell or properly promote.

If they can't sell or properly promote, the club is [REDACTED]. Hand in the keys.

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