jim I meant more in terms of a potential AFL influence over our recovery plans. The AFL disagreeing with decisions of the Board because they see a better way - not in a macchiavellian sense but in a disagreement sense.

The question will arise - who runs the Club?

Jimmae



Are you being serious?

I find it very hard to work out when you are jesting and when you are just out of your depth.

Where would you propose we "take such a thing to stop it hapening"?

The AFL Police?

The ACCC?

The Federal Government?

The AFL are the controlling body of the league. They schedule games, the control dividend payments, they have a huge say over the growth of individual clubs which are at their mercy.

Look at the Bulldogs, North Melbourne & Melbourne - the AFL has each of the clubs under total control. None of them would dare to say a word out of line about the AFL because they are shit scared of the consequences.

One word out of line and they are playing ianother game in Darwin, the Gold Coast or selling another home game to Sydney/Qld.

The sooner we are not reliant on the AFL for handouts the sooner we, like Collingwood, will be able to flex our muscles back against the AFL.

regards
Ockham

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A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

Look the current Carlton board is no different from this internet board. The majority of them are sheep and will just bleat along and play follow the leader. Look at Mrs Diggins for example the token female on the board who was only put there because Elliott was sexist and the ticket thought she would pull some votes. She and others would have just bleated along trying to feel 'accepted'.

Perhaps Fitzy, who despite what any of you say, would only have Carlton's best interests at heart, saw the nonsense in what was going on - appointing Barry Mitchell as senior coach? I mean come on, no appointing the best possible candidate? Just appoint Mitchell?

Thanks Fitzy

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Whoever's more competent.

At the moment, I'd sway with the AFL. The AFL threw Mike into board meetings and Watts is down there to give them a hand. The AFL probably smell that there's something they need to do to kick-start Carlton again (so long as the current board is in place), if they are up for rebuilding Carlton as we know it.

O.R., I'm not up to speed on the structure of the AFL and the clubs, but if they are a body which oversees the competition, they should be overseeing the league and assisting clubs, not controlling which clubs get to be successful, and how successful they should be.

This is a sport, not sports entertainment.

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CG, you're scaring me, you're making more and more sense with every post!!!

Regardless of whether Fitzy gave his input or not, the AFL publicly stated that their financial arrangement with Carlton was not conditional on having any sort of influence on our decision making and neither should it. If the AFL are providing any sort of input at all, then they are over-stepping the mark and are out of place. This is absolutely and totally unacceptable.

This competition is turning into a homogenised, artificial comp where the AFL manufactures results and outcomes to achieve internal objectives, financial or otherwise. They have their role to play and Carlton has its own and the decision making at our club should never be influenced or pressured by the AFL. If so, we may as well shut up shop as we have lost our identity and are just a puppet for the AFL. All over. No point being supporters or even following the club.

I can handle the sheer incompetence of our Carlton incumbents as they essentially have been placed there on our behalf and represent us members, but no-one should tolerate and accept influence from the AFL on club matters. They have already made us endure an unreasonable burden with the way they treated us but manipulating decision making is the last straw

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C'mon Blueboys!

yes the Board should have searched for the best candidate

but then does that mean agree Denis should go,yet, not searching for the best candidate (why I am not sure) you stick with what you've got?

ps CG you should read my TC as a metaphor thread, you seem to be agreeing with me - or is that where you got the idea

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

on the grapevine, pagans the leak, he was gone, and purposely leaked to the media, to pressure the board.

The rookie poster comes in with a BANG!!!

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lol, im not going to claim that i didn't hear it second hand. but the original source is v. solid, and lets face it, its v. plausable

I can see the headlines now:

SNEAKY LEAKER PISSES DOWN BACK - TELLS BOARD IT'S NOT RAINING.

BTW - isn't Aaron Hamill Carlton's Judas???

I think Judas was Jesus's Aaron Hamill

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Congratulations CK95

I think you'll find there is more info leaked than just the bits to which Pagan was privy.


btw, if you were watching ch 10 in Melb tonight you would have at some stage seen Andrew Meagher give the exact same Boardroom voting numbers as given by Ockham's Razor in his "the way the numbers fell" post. He is actually the only media personality I have heard or read who has used those exact figures ... all the others have been slightly different.
I am wondering did he get those figures by reading TC, or does he have the same source as OR?????

It certainly does seem strange that the numbers went from 8 2 to against to 10 0 for Pagan on the final day. All the press seem convinced the AFL forced the Club into this vote. I certainly find the chance that this is just coincidental, given the amount of leaking which has been going on, difficult to believe.

On the other hand, I find it odd that Fitzy would be pushing such a direction, unless he considers it out of his sphere of influence. He does not answer to AD, as AD is actually answerable to the Commission, not the other way around ... however, he is only one Commissioner, and if the AFl does hold cards over us, and Fitzy is aware of that, then he possibly sees little option for the Club at the moment than to recommend compliance.

Certainly, the Club is currently vulnerable, and it is difficult to fight the AFL if they hold cards which if made public could create further problems.

Unfortunately, without being privy to such information, it is difficult to judge what other courses of action could have been taken, or how far the AFL would be prepared to go if their private wishes were not followed.

However, a Board challenge with significant financial backing and influence could perhaps change such a situation.

Of course, it would be disappointing if Fitzy were a party to such hypothetically dubious ethical dealings, yet chooses to remain a Commissioner.

And lastly, of course, the fact that info is leaked to people who post it here, almost certainly via more than one source, means it can just as easily reach the press.

Maybe Pagan leaked a little and some of the board a little but at the end of the day we are the ones drinking the piss

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Piss drinking...how very European. We are a cosmopolitan club. Leaking is merely recreation.

Hmmmm............

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HUH..........?


kindest regards tommi

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