The Board meeting's tomorrow night from what I have been told.

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As much as I would like to see it Pagan wont get the axe.

Having watched the first game live for some time the one thing I did notice is that early in the game players were running hard to create a space but never got the ball kicked to them by about 5 minutes into the second quarter they stopped doing it.

There was an instance where Lappin took the ball on the wing kicked it forward to Fish then pushed really hard to the open space in the forward line only to see Fish turn his back take a big turn around ark and try and spear a pass to Lance who had three around him .

thats clearly poor coaching and the kick to the hotspot method . If he would have spotted up Lappin He would have been taking a shot from 30 metres out in the easy pocket .

I felt sorry for all those supporters yesterday who spent the hard earned money flying up to Sydney to watch that display. And the sad part about it was that our best player was a guy who only started playing 3 years ago.

There are problems with the way this side is coached and the club will not do anything about it.

Pagan will Stay

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I for one REALLY hope Mitch isn't appointed coach, both because it would show a great amount of unprofessionalism at the club (given his two best mates are conducting the review) and also his lack of a proven track record (his Ants success is meaningless given the team he has, especially if they bow out of the finals - Garry Lyon made it very clear on 3AW yesterday that he thinks the Bullants results don't show whether Mitchell can coach or not)

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The way I see it, ex-players like Ratten and SOS want to coach.

Since SOS has indicated he wants to coach Carlton, then this is the perfect opportunity for him to step in. Since SOS was including in part of the salary cap rorts that got us into this mess to start with he can repay the club by doing the job for NOTHING for the next 2 years.

I don't know about Mitchell and I'm 50/50 about a former player coaching at the same club he played at.

Hawthorn went down that path with a former player and then rejected the likes Ayres, Wallace and Eade before deciding on a outsider in Clarkson.

But then again, Paul Roos and John Worsfold are coaching teams they played for.

Wasn't it Barry Mitchell who was a good mate with Wayne Britten and wasn't it Mitchell who took Brittens things to his house after he was dumped and if I remember correctly wasn't happy with the process when he was interviewed by the news outside Britt's house ?

WE NEED TO GO INTO THE MARKET PLACE AND INTERVIEW AS MANY PROSPECTIVE COACHES AS POSSIBLE IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE COACHES. I COULD NOT GIVE A RATS CLACK ABOUT WHICH CLUB THEY PLAYED FOR. ALL OF THOSE CLUBS WENT TO THE MARKET PLACE FOR A COACH.

finishing last doesn't guarantee success in the future, because i believe it's the smart choices you make with lower draft choices that do it. Edwards, Raso, Jackson..... players like that need to step up.
I would give Pagan one more year to give an honest judgement on his coaching abilities.

also... was Wayne Hughes at Freo when they pick both Peake & Crowley up with lower picks?

SOS = Tim Watson.

Great player. Talks on the telly. Never coached a team in his life.

Why exactly would you appoint him senior coach at one of the most critical times in our history?

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Nothing gaurantees success.

I agree that 3rd and 4th round draft picks are very important if you want to challenge for the premiership.

But you need a base as well to challenge from. Thats where the first round picks come into it.

picks, 2, 1, 4, 1, and whatever happens next year are going to provide the base of elite talent needed.

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Because we are Carlton - we don't need to follow convention - which is why we are the worst performing team of the last ten years - fact!!

It's clearly poor coaching if Fisher doesn't spot Lappin when he's open, or makes a poor decision to ignore him to go for Lance?

The players can't be that well programmed that Pagan is making all their decisions for them.

I'm tipping you won't like the next coach either.

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Well said buzz. I would expect nothing less from you. Let's do it properly,hey!

It's a valid point but the difference is, from my understanding, is that SOS is and has worked as an assistant wherby Tim Watson came straight from the media with no coaching experience at all but with a reputation of coaching knowledge through his media persona.

I liked the last coach and tha coach before that and the one before that so that is not quite right what you say there..

In regards to fish he clearly saw Lappin run past him he even looked in his direction and then looked like he did what he was programmed to do and kick it to the hot spot.

It wasn't the only instance either Waite did the same thing a couple times they seem liked they are programmed to bring the ball back to the middle all the time regardless of who is free . The players soon get sick of running to the space and by half way through the second quarter they were stagnate and hailing cabs.

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The question is, would have another coach done any better? Unlikely. As most pundits were picking us for another wooden spoon this year anyway, including many of the current teeth gnashers, I can't see why they are demanding change now. Reckon Dennis should be given antoher year at the least.

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most pundits picked us for the wooden spoon based on last years result, the year before they weren't because we finished 11th and had just won the wizard cup, the list hadn't changed that much from when they picked us to finish higher - so why did it happen???

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Do they seem like they're programmed to kick to the hot spot or is it clear they're programmed to kick to the hot spot?

Are you actually suggesting that Pagan instructs the players to ignore open men inside 50 and kick to the hot spot (or Whitnall/Fevola) instead? You don't think its possible Fisher didn't see him or made a poor decision?

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NO to Barry Mitchell....this guy has been at the club too long...we need fresh people, fresh ideas, imagination, he has none of that........

WE NEED NEW BLOOD....THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO

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The 1.2 Mill..do the AFL have to approve that?.....would Mike Fitzpatrick be making recommendations to the AFL?

If the money is there I would do it...Mitchell is cheap and interested and with plenty to prove...if it doesnt go through then Mitchell and Kernahan are both gone IMHO..
I think Sticks has way too much influence and even though I agree with Mitchell being coach I'm not so happy about a Mitchell/SOS/Ratten and Sticks
setup..too inbred and not enough new ideas...I dont think its healthy and IMHO Sticks needs to go so we get a clean slate......

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SOS does about 12 hours a week being an assistant coach. A "real" assistant coach would those hours in a day.