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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:14 pm 
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He almost cost us the game with that ridiculous hamdball back into the centre corridor.


I was as perplexed as you were with that decision but did Whitnall actually call for it? I didn't see properly & haven't seen the replay. Either way I guess Mcgrath should have seen what was before him.

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Some of their mistakes are basic. For example Waite's kick for goal at the city end in the 3rd quarter. He was walking sideways as he approached the goal!! I know he was trying to open the angle but the angle was not that bad and he wasn't far out!! It's just so frustrating. Waite does not have the skill to be stuffing around attempting tricks like that. Pretty sure he was dragged after it - as he should have been!


When has he ever done the basics??
I wonder what his trade value is worth???


I'd be testing the water at the end of the year. I am on record as saying he is our version of Chris Tarrant. To big a gap between his good performances and his bad ones.


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What's the AFL average %??

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It's more the pressure and lack of a consistent game plan than poor skill level.

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You must be joking
Walker running down members wing missed Fevola by 20 Metres


LIES DAMB LIES and STATISTICS

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Something like effectiveness though is highly subjective.

Gut feel is more accurate than statistics here I reckon. :lol:

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I remember listening to 3AW on a Saturday afternoon before the season began.

One of the presenters mentioned a conversation he had with an interstate assistant coach who said that Carlton were very far behind all the other clubs in terms of skill level......and this was only after a handful of practise matches.

Obviously the footballs need to come out earlier than they normally do in the pre-season....not to mention getting a skills coach to the club.

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Forgive me if I'm going over covered ground, but a free kick against is also considered a clanger. So AB who tackles 4-6 times a game is more likely to give away a free than a "softer than poo sandwhich" type player.

I remember Ratten was often at the top of the clanger count, but who wouldn't give their right testy to have him back in the #7?

Blatant in-effective kicks like AW's, and misses like Waite's are the ones that hurt like a thousand stab wounds.


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BlueWorld wrote:
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choo wrote:
Fevola- 6th at club (19%)
Murphy- 14%
Betts- 13%
Scotland- Has more clangers than anyone in the entire AFL.
Whitnall- 4th at the club
Russell- 16%
Kennedy- 33%
Lappin- 13%


ONLY ONES WHO DON'T(as a rule) :?:
TOOK LESS TIME- Obviously very little. Check the stats you might find out what's really happening. It's very easy to focus on single incidents without viewing the bigger picture



BW, the Scotland figure indicates that pure stats do not always give the correct situation. If you only count clangers then Scotlands score may not look too good. But the fact that he is in the top 3 in the AFL for possessions means that even if he had a low count on turnovers/clangers per possession he would still have a high number.
eg... if a player had 80 possessions for the year to date and had 20 clangers he might be low in the ranking for clangers. Another player might have 25 clangers for the year but have 500 possessions. In the first instance the player would have a 25% clanger rating, in the second even with more clangers would only have a 5% clanger rating.
Does this make sense??? Jarusa, please HELP!


Absolutely. That's why I calculated the percentages, though I missed Scotland. His rate is 11% which is actually fairly low. Anyway I think his position as the top clanger maker in the AFL might have been taken over by a team mate of his who wears #24. His rate is 13%. Still better than a few other players who get less of the ball though.

Others:

Walker 16%
Whitnall 13%
Houla 11%
Kouta 18%
Bentick 13%
Simpson 11%
Carrazzo 11%
Thornton 10% (has less risky possessions)
McGrath 13%
De Luca 19%
Wiggins 11%
French 16%
Waite 19%
Fisher 22%
Teague 23%
McLaren 11%
O'halpin 25%
Bannister 8%
Sporn 17%
Blackwell 7%



Sol first you say Whitnall is 4th at the club then you trot out that list which shows 9 players with a higher percentage and left out a number of players including Kennedy whom you quote at 33%, Fevola 19% etc
IN FACT WHITNALL has the best percentage of my list


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TOOK LESS TIME- Obviously very little. Check the stats you might find out what's really happening. It's very easy to focus on single incidents without viewing the bigger picture[/quote][/quote]


you're inaccuracy in sledging my post shows you're affinity with the topic

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:12 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
anfield wrote:
He almost cost us the game with that ridiculous hamdball back into the centre corridor.


I was as perplexed as you were with that decision but did Whitnall actually call for it? I didn't see properly & haven't seen the replay. Either way I guess Mcgrath should have seen what was before him.


His first option which was probably the best was to put it into the forward 50 but he actually turned back into the play and then shot the handball off. If Lance did call for it thats something else that never ceases to amaze me: the number of times players call for the ball when they are under the hammer. I dont know who is sillier the bloke who calls for it or the bloke who handballs?


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Sol first you say Whitnall is 4th at the club then you trot out that list which shows 9 players with a higher percentage and left out a number of players including Kennedy whom you quote at 33%, Fevola 19% etc
IN FACT WHITNALL has the best percentage of my list


Whitnall is 4th at the club in total clangers. You said he hardly ever makes any. When you adjust for the amount of possessions he gets he's not as bad. I spent quite a bit of time going through everyone's possessions and clangers and working out the percentages (I don't have to do that). Sorry I didn't get through it all at 12.44 am last night. I finished it off today.


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