*whistles*

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Congratulations CK95

Yeah he's up there with your posts.

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Congratulations CK95

No!

Especially if they're South Australians



The dog would be worth more

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

That's the first time I've ever seen Stevens and Campo in the same picture...

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Congratulations CK95

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Last year it was all about trading Lance and Fev and now it's Stevens turn.

One thing is for sure that his very good disposal has desserted him and he isn't going in as hard as he could.

REMEMBER our little super star in Murphy - get rid of Stevens and Murphy will get the number one tag next year. We need mid fielders why would you get rid of Steven for an unknown.

We all know what Stevens can do - all we need to do is get some support around him. Every player goes through a loss of form. It's not like he played like this last year.

Just have a look at Thornton and French - both players are out of form and hopefully they will regain their form quickly.

He was played back on the weekend for one reason - To show him our hard our backs have to do it when the mids are not acountable. He is better than what we are seeing - Now it's up to the coaches and Stevens to get back to playing his best.

stevens isnt right at the moment. watching him for the last couple weeks i have noticed he cant jump or turn without any discomfort. im by no means a stevo apologist, by yesterday during the third 1/4 he was brilliant. absolutly brilliant. his efforts, running, chasing were all great, he directed traffic at least 5 or 6 times, and at crucial times too. these are things that dont show on the stats sheet, but he really put us back in the contest.

you can see hes probably carrying a groin injury, his kicking lacks penetration, a hallmark of his game, and as stated a million times over and over he is really punished week in week out by our lack of great midfielders, he takes a pounding from the oppositions best taggerâ„¢ and doesnt have the luxury of rotating on/off the bench like his opponent. once 100% fit he is a star, if we do hold on to him, you just wait till he is supported through the midfield. i can understand the vitriole, he made a couple bad mistakes yesterday, but as said above, had it not been for him we might not have been in it at 3/4 time.

i hope others noticed his exceptional work rate yesterday and not just the negetives. he is playing under some duress. in terms of trading it is difficult to say. it all depends what we will get for him. id say keep him, cos its unlikely many clubs will trade first round picks this year, and he could be the key to our success when hes 100%.

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"In fairness it did seem in the early days of the draft teams would just pick a name totally at random out of a hat. I'm pretty sure we picked James Cook at #2 one year. The mediocre forward, not the explorer" - Me, 12/9/2011

Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

Stevens is a good player. No doubt about that.But he is not elite or top class.Playing with Carlton has meant he has been targetted by the opposition best taggerâ„¢ and he struggles. He quickly loses confidence and being a senior player now has struggled with the pressure.

In short he hasnt taken the next step from the potential he showed at Port. I thought having him in defence may have been a message from the coach.He didnt have a clue about playing in defence and was way too loose.Thank god Gianman did the old hammy.

Stevens has obviously had a charmed run as a footballer good enough to pick up possessions at will because he is a good player but he hasnt improved the deficincies in his game and has been found out.

This is not an overnight thing. I posted last year how Cornes took Stevens completley out of the game by beating him at the stoppages.Stevens is a good user of the pill so he is targetted because if you stop Stevens we rely on other guys who arnt as good in this area.



Stevens miss from 11m out dead in front was from a player who is down on confidence.Good on him from getting 32 touches.He never stop trying but Stevo must take his game to the next level otherwise he could be trade bait down the track. He must man up more and return the shit that is being delivered out to him.Maybe he could become a tagger but not in defence .Denis.Change his mind set.


There are many Houli knockers but at least Ryan has taken steps to change his game.Stevens needs to do the same.

Good balanced post Keogh.

The question here is not just 'Stevo-bashing', I'm absolutely certain he would be a decent player in a decent team.

As it is, he's an average player in a below average team. Do we have the absolute quality to give Stevens the free ride many are saying he needs, the luxury of playing on the third best tagger or midfielder?

I don't think we do.

As I've said repeatedly, we can't sit around waiting for our team to improve so that Stevens can again return to his 'elite' best. Stevens must, as one of our supposed top players be part of the group that drag the team up with him.

So it's not just a case of frustration with Stevens, I do agree with most that he's a better player in a better side. So was Andrew Eccles. So was Richard Hadley. My point is that we can't afford to hold on to someone with real currency who is going to need to ride on the coat tails of others. Let's get that 2nd rounder for him and look for a player who can make things happen and not benefit from those that do.

Sure, the draft isn't an exact science. But neither is trying to predict when we'll be good enough for Stevens to be the top line player we need and expect him to be.

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Congratulations CK95

I voted to trade.

Why don't you try and get Didak for him?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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SIDE BY SIDE
COOOOOLLLLLIIIINGWOOOOOOOD

We got rid of Campo, so we don't need his clone.

Nice try.

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SIDE BY SIDE
COOOOOLLLLLIIIINGWOOOOOOOD

Deano - further to our posts in this thread:

5. Not pointing fingers … but do the team realise that Betts is 173cm and that it’s hard for him to mark the ball 2 feet above his head?
Yeah, he’s pretty small… but he’s always on the move. Sometimes he just bobs up in a position you don’t expect – maybe he should be at the feet of the bigger guys, but Betts keeps on leading. He’s certainly a bit of a livewire.

Don't want him he has got a dodgy knee. He also plays for free kicks not unlike some soccer players in the World cup.

Ken Sheldon wants us to trade Nick Stevens for a second rnd pick.... he says we have to bite the bullet and start making some decisons....I'm not sure about trading Nick for just a secon rnder but i think Sheldon is on the money about being proactive and thinking outside the square...Sheldon would make a good member of the football dept and I have a bit of time for his opinions....

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- Conor Gillen

Can't believe people want to trade Nick Stevens.
We have no midfield as it is and we want to trade out best midfielder.
Then again people on here think that Carazzo is a premier midfielder

Obviously you'd work desperately hard to get a first rounder, but of course kangaroos aside, we'll not get near one of those. early 2nd rounder and a player would be best case I reckon.

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Congratulations CK95

Fatarse Smith just made a good point that without Stevens Murph would be under far more pressure - I have to agree

We simply don't have the depth to cover a loss like that atm. We'd be better off trading a Fisher type player if any.

Or.... Fev for Judd

I reckon Sheldon is right.

A second round pick would be of greater value for the future of the club.

We have had to start at the bottom so let's not take anymoreshort cuts.

Stevens is a player that as stated earlier in this thread is a "clone" of Campo. We dont need pretty recievers, we need players who are willing to get the ball and run in numbers to support each other= ala Murphy, Bentick and Walker.

If you look at the current Crows team they have 22 hard workers every week. They dont play the "Campo/Stevens" type players.

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I dont think its going to be long before Murph is under that pressure anyway. Maybe was early as next season he'd be getting the best tagger regardless of whether Stevens is there or not.

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