I hear what you are saying.
There are people you take what ever they say with a grain of salt, then there are people who dont say much and are usually on the money. This friend is the latter and i am happy to share what he has told me.
Betts is not happy as they extended his contract offer by a year but reduced it financially by around 500k....

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That surprises me. I am assuming the club has offered him 4 years. He would be on the veterans list for 3 of those so about $340,000 wouldnt be under the cap in those years.

Don't be surprised if Laidler remains a blue.

I would be.

Because there is no one bidding for his services?

Isn't he out of contract? Would the club really give him a new deal after leaving him in the 2s all year?

My memory is a bit hazy, but when Walker was going to be traded in 2010 did the club publicise Walker asking for a trade like they did with Laidler?

..thinking of offering laids a 1 year extension/ or rookie second chance are they..?.. .... ..he's out of contract right..?.. ....usually the trade for an extra late pick is a goodwill gesture to a long servant of the club [which laids isn't], but if they were gonna try and sort out a trade for him, or he may still be a blue.... ..is there anything more to 'this story'..?..

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Robinson is a good player to move on IMO.

Would have reasonable trade value to a team that is pushing/filling gaps.... and i reckon you've seen the best of his abilities.... no more upside.

..just can't agree with this sort of arguement.. ..there's always upside with every player, until they're just about ready to retire.. ..greater fitness and experience will improve a player.. ..the idea that a player can have 'peaked' by early 20's is just flawed to my thinking.. .... ..and this is proven pretty much every year, by players improving upon previous years, regardless of age..

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And thats fine, thats why i wrote "IMO".
Because in my opinion, he's a spud. Sorry to be so matter-of-fact.

No doubt his conditioning, experience and fitness will improve.
Will it change his decision making enough to be a top liner??? Will he stop bombing the ball at every opportunity without thinking? Will it improve his decision making and awareness?

Not so sure

Happy to move him on. Just not a smart footballer and one you can't trust in big games.

Love his attitude and effort but to get to the top it isn't enough.

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Wow. Just wow.

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I must admit I'd be tempted to go down the draft route.

If we got Thomas effectively for Betts that's okay but it wouldn't concern me if we didn't.

There isn't much out there worth chasing that possibility can't be replaced on the cheap.

Guys like Staker, Cross etc may be good short term solutions to help out and wouldn't cost much.

Others such as Weller, Ellis, Lambert, Garlett etc can also be gotten for no loss of picks or players.

If we purely traded any players for picks we may do okay.

Can we get second round picks for Lucas, Yarran, Garlett, Hampson, Robinson?

Maybe a 4th for Laidler or a swap for Delaney? Again not much of a cost.

We could easily have approx. pick 12, 25, 28, 30, 35, 40, 56. Is that enough and the draft may lack some depth?

Be great to get Pick 1 or 9 from GWS but can't see it happening.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Funny how we rate others' flesh better than ours.
My North mates laugh at the prospect of someone giving away anything for Delaney but we want him.

Second round picks for Yarran and Garlett? You're not Terry Wallace are you?

Why just drop numbers down? What does 28, 35, 40 etc mean? Who exactly are they and why are they better than the players we have?

I am very happy most of you have nothing to do with our list management.

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That's why it is a question more than a statement. Others will know better than me.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Is the "if one Aboriginal player leaves, then all three have to leave because Aboriginals only ever talk to other Aboriginals at a footy club" line of logic now the new "He's from South/West Australia therefore Port/Crows/Eagles/Dockers will pay ridiculous amounts to get him back because those clubs only get players from WA/SA"?

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I don't know much but I do know that trading contracted players is not as easy as one may want it to be.

Unless all hell has broken loose at the CFC Yarran and Garlett won't be given away for picks #30 odd unless of course Rogers thinks he can sneekily nab a superstar at that selection.
Garlett and Yarran were our respective 1st and 5th best goal-kickers this year and with no. 3 in Betts all but gone, who's going to keep the ball in the forward 50, along with the capacity of kicking 50 goals in a season? Armfield?
The draft sounds as though it's good at the top end but may peter out somewhat thereafter.

Having said that, I hope we back our recruiters and already that seems the path we'll venture down but as with anything, you want to know that you're getting more then you're giving away.

If we do trade out 2 contracted players to advantage, we would have done very, very well.

Yep agreed. Look at the amount of times St Kilda tried to trade Milne, as a good guide as to why you won't ever get value for Garlett.

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Didds !

Garlett is the one I'd be keeping