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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:59 pm 
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I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.



Perhaps you should question the character of our current coach and his motives first then question who and what he is trying to teach?
Hinckley built a culture over one preseason from a bunch of spooners and made finals in his first year then a kick to get in the big one against the eventual winners the next.
Has no one conveyed your theory to the port rejects and the rookie coach?
11 wins equalled Rattens sacked year followed by 7 ½ wins last year, certainly going backwards.
Don’t worry great draw coming up I’m sure malthouse will return us to the great heights of his predecessors win/loss ratio.
It is time for the forward step now after taking the same group backward, oui.


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nothing like having a bet each way redback.....bad year = Malthouse fault......good year = good draw! :smile:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:29 am 
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london blue wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
I'm a strong believer that he leaves clubs in a much better place culturally.

My views confirmed over the weekend with feedback from a well respected CEO whom MM had previously worked for. Said that Mick will live and die by the culture he builds. Key principle is to seek young men of great character.

I think further re- enforced by some our de-listings this year and the style of recruits being brought in.

In the end he will live and die by games success. However, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that we are building a culture that will be far superior to the mediocrity we have accommodated since the beginning of the century.


We've been building a list since the penalties in 2002. Did we miss top 4 because of a lack of talent with all those high picks? Was it because of bad off field culture? Was it the coaching?

It was something, perhaps a combo of things. I've always had my doubts about the character of a lot of our players. The talent was there. I saw laziness and a lack of discipline on the field. I heard of players off field issues. I saw some average skill executions that cost us.

I'm sure that character of players is a vital piece of the puzzle to win a flag. Step in the right direction.



Perhaps you should question the character of our current coach and his motives first then question who and what he is trying to teach?
Hinckley built a culture over one preseason from a bunch of spooners and made finals in his first year then a kick to get in the big one against the eventual winners the next.
Has no one conveyed your theory to the port rejects and the rookie coach?
11 wins equalled Rattens sacked year followed by 7 ½ wins last year, certainly going backwards.
Don’t worry great draw coming up I’m sure malthouse will return us to the great heights of his predecessors win/loss ratio.
It is time for the forward step now after taking the same group backward, oui.


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nothing like having a bet each way redback.....bad year = Malthouse fault......good year = good draw! :smile:



Au contraire, I’m betting on a better year

First two years micky has pulled and twisted the playing group and game to suit his agenda for his all-conquering assault at an improvement for his third and final year at the helm.
He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder.
Now with a very favourable fixture the team improves from previous debacles = micky doing a good job
Sign him up!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Will hold you to that - Let's see who makes he top 10 in the BnF this year - wouldn't be surprised if 5 at least come from recruits of the last 2 years


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:45 pm 
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"He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder."

I assume you were in coma during 2014. To say that we had a healthy playing group is ridiculous


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:02 pm 
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padre wrote:
"He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder."

I assume you were in coma during 2014. To say that we had a healthy playing group is ridiculous



In Ratts last year I remember people saying the same thing when at one stage we had had 13 players unavailable for selection. Didn't help Ratten's cause. After all those years at the bottom and finally and dramatically moving up the ladder, in his final year it was never seen as an excuse.

Come on Madhouse ... make it happen.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:14 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
padre wrote:
"He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder."

I assume you were in coma during 2014. To say that we had a healthy playing group is ridiculous



In Ratts last year I remember people saying the same thing when at one stage we had had 13 players unavailable for selection. Didn't help Ratten's cause. After all those years at the bottom and finally and dramatically moving up the ladder, in his final year it was never seen as an excuse.

Come on Madhouse ... make it happen.

Yeah , ratts is that good every club looking for a coach are queing up for his services over the last 3 years. You might know, didn't he turn down the port job before he even had an interview?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:18 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
padre wrote:
"He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder."

I assume you were in coma during 2014. To say that we had a healthy playing group is ridiculous



In Ratts last year I remember people saying the same thing when at one stage we had had 13 players unavailable for selection. Didn't help Ratten's cause. After all those years at the bottom and finally and dramatically moving up the ladder, in his final year it was never seen as an excuse.

Come on Madhouse ... make it happen.

Yeah , ratts is that good every club looking for a coach are queing up for his services over the last 3 years. You might know, didn't he turn down the port job before he even had an interview?


Just stating the facts. Whats good for one should be good for the other. The standard was set ... Injuries cannot be an excuse for Madhouse.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:37 am 
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such a high standard we set

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:23 am 
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padre wrote:
"He’s had the same playing group and a healthy one at that (even improved it by all accounts by some experts on this very sight) and slips down the ladder."

I assume you were in coma during 2014. To say that we had a healthy playing group is ridiculous


from our core group only
Judd
carrazzo
Curnow
kreuzer
and walker

missed significant parts of the year unless you like to use every single injury to validate your argument then we should evaluate every other sides lists and injuries.

the coma was self induced after the games to miss mickys embarrassing post match press conferences


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:29 am 
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Its not about high standards ... its about precedence.

Just because Madhouse has coached 3 premierships in 30 years ... including a marvelous 1 premiership in the last 19 does not mean he should have any more excuses than the man he replaced.

Even if we had a fantastic modern day coach like Clarkson (3 premierships in 10 years) the same rules should apply. No excuses for injuries!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:07 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Its not about high standards ... its about precedence.

Just because Madhouse has coached 3 premierships in 30 years ... including a marvelous 1 premiership in the last 19 does not mean he should have any more excuses than the man he replaced.

Even if we had a fantastic modern day coach like Clarkson (3 premierships in 10 years) the same rules should apply. No excuses for injuries!

I agree - no excuses for injuries - BUT - if you dont have depth to cover your injuries then well they have a significant impact. I would suggest MM has been trying to address that through siginificant changes to the playing list over the last couple of drafts. You can't fault him for that. The probalem is that building that depth takes time.

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I see, precedence over standards....

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:22 am 
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I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:51 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

So, you think the only reason Ratten got the sack was for our lowly position on the ladder?


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Trigger wrote:
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dannyboy wrote:
I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

So, you think the only reason Ratten got the sack was for our lowly position on the ladder?


No I didn't say that. There were other reasons ... not that I agreed with them. (and Rattens record was excellent in terms or where we had come from ... except for his last season).

However ... having a massive amount of injuries was never seen as an acceptable excuse for Ratten ... and in my view this should be no different for Madhouse. I can't really put it any simpler.

The thought of people saying ... poor Tricky Micky with all our injuries last year makes me want to puke.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:43 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
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I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

So, you think the only reason Ratten got the sack was for our lowly position on the ladder?


No I didn't say that. There were other reasons ... not that I agreed with them. (and Rattens record was excellent in terms or where we had come from ... except for his last season).

However ... having a massive amount of injuries was never seen as an acceptable excuse for Ratten ... and in my view this should be no different for Madhouse. I can't really put it any simpler.

The thought of people saying ... poor Tricky Micky with all our injuries last year makes me want to puke.

@#$%&! the injuries, we had no one to replace the injured due to the previous regimes incompetence. Who takes responsibility for that MM.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:02 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

So, you think the only reason Ratten got the sack was for our lowly position on the ladder?


No I didn't say that. There were other reasons ... not that I agreed with them. (and Rattens record was excellent in terms or where we had come from ... except for his last season).

However ... having a massive amount of injuries was never seen as an acceptable excuse for Ratten ... and in my view this should be no different for Madhouse. I can't really put it any simpler.

The thought of people saying ... poor Tricky Micky with all our injuries last year makes me want to puke.

@#$%&! the injuries, we had no one to replace the injured due to the previous regimes incompetence. Who takes responsibility for that MM.


Amen - hence my comment above about the need to build depth to "cover" for injuries, which MM has more than started.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:14 pm 
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we had a list of over 40,
like I have mentioned before our overall injury list at any given point was not prodigious and a good coach improvises and creates solutions for deficiencies
I don’t think you understand what the coach’s role is in a football club

Maybe he just needs a good assistant (like Buckley or maybe Ratten)
One has done it for him before and the other seems to be doing a good job at his new home


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:16 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Trigger wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I see, precedence over standards....



Hmmm ... no ... of course not. A standard has been set.

My point is you can't say injuries are an excuse for one coach but not for another.

Not even for Super Duper Tricky Micky Madhouse.

So, you think the only reason Ratten got the sack was for our lowly position on the ladder?


No I didn't say that. There were other reasons ... not that I agreed with them. (and Rattens record was excellent in terms or where we had come from ... except for his last season).

However ... having a massive amount of injuries was never seen as an acceptable excuse for Ratten ... and in my view this should be no different for Madhouse. I can't really put it any simpler.

The thought of people saying ... poor Tricky Micky with all our injuries last year makes me want to puke.

@#$%&! the injuries, we had no one to replace the injured due to the previous regimes incompetence. Who takes responsibility for that MM.


Old Madlove was more than happy with the list when he first showed up. Didn't even bother with trade week. Went book selling instead. Unprofessional.

No excuses for his poor showing so far. Fingers crossed he gets it right this year.


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Yep ... lets hope he gets it right for a change.


Oh to have a professional modern day coach like Clarkson.

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