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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:58 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Carlton the 4th most impacted team by injury this year according to Champion Data.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1950134177141006594


Whether you like it or not , that has had a massive impact on our fortunes this year . And great credit to Voss I can't recall him ever offering it as an excuse .


Spot on Mick. The one coach who whinges and makes excuses every week. Brad Scott. And yet, Essendon** are less impacted by injury over the season than Carlton.
Not once has Voss given anyone an excuse. Including himself. That's what is so pathetic about Brad Scott. He's not protecting his players reputations. He's protecting himself. Oxygen thief.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:22 pm 
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like i said after PRE SEASON game v saints nothing changed and that falls to Voss and Co


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:37 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Carlton the 4th most impacted team by injury this year according to Champion Data.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1950134177141006594


Whether you like it or not , that has had a massive impact on our fortunes this year . And great credit to Voss I can't recall him ever offering it as an excuse .


Spot on Mick. The one coach who whinges and makes excuses every week. Brad Scott. And yet, Essendon*** are less impacted by injury over the season than Carlton.
Not once has Voss given anyone an excuse. Including himself. That's what is so pathetic about Brad Scott. He's not protecting his players reputations. He's protecting himself. Oxygen thief.


People are entitled to have an opinion on Voss for sure BV but you could never accuse him of being weak kneed or a squealer . He faces the music .

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:48 pm 
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Should have been 'let go' 7-10 weeks ago.

I feel that the club wanted to avoid the media spotlight for sacking 'another coach'.

The long term damage will be hard to reverse. Not sure why we are letting him coach the season out.

Simpson has already met with senior officials. If he's not picked we are still going through a process of sorts.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:17 pm 
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I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

Interesting article on new and "retread" coaches.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-01/afl-carlton-coach-analysis-voss-longmire-simpson/105459600


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:18 pm 
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Should have been 'let go' 7-10 weeks ago.

I feel that the club wanted to avoid the media spotlight for sacking 'another coach'.

The long term damage will be hard to reverse. Not sure why we are letting him coach the season out.

Simpson has already met with senior officials. If he's not picked we are still going through a process of sorts.

Possible assistant role?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:28 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

Interesting article on new and "retread" coaches.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-01/afl-carlton-coach-analysis-voss-longmire-simpson/105459600


:thumbsup:

As I've posted previously, IMO we had the right person in Bolton but went too young/didn't surround them with enough senior players.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:33 pm 
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4 months ago Simpson suggested we go back to contested football and scoring from stoppages as it is our DNA.
He has a fair point in that we are trying to fix all aspects of our game at the expense of our stoppage game.
But I think the game has moved on from solely using that style.
IIRC the stats say only 60% of games this year have been won from that style.
The conundrum we have is, we don't have the players to move on from that style we were wining with and we can't win with that style solely either.
I am also not sure that Simpson would be the right head coach for us, however I think he'd make a great assistant to help Voss.
Like Wright did with Leppa and Bolton at the Pios.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/03/29/whats-their-dna-simpson-on-why-carlton-need-to-revert-back-to-their-previous?fbclid=IwY2xjawL2tTJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFsbjdsUmgwdG9Qam5PellQAR4ByLlJ9afCyWP_4As2fDH6u9xtQwKT6jqppdMiJI5xVqIz4eqvEmGa4e9fNQ_aem_nSUv5OCDh_Ll1n3GjAn2Ag


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:38 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

Interesting article on new and "retread" coaches.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-01/afl-carlton-coach-analysis-voss-longmire-simpson/105459600


:thumbsup:

As I've posted previously, IMO we had the right person in Bolton but went too young/didn't surround them with enough senior players.

:thumbsup:
I agree, the only issue back then was we couldn't attract any good senior players and is why SOS brought in all those GWS rejects.
Plus I think SOS likes to hold onto players he drafted thinking they can be great at other clubs, look at Stocker and Dow.
He'll probably wreck TDK also, less of a chance but I feel he is being set up to fail.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:14 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.


How about we honour his contract and back him in for the next season and see how it goes . Gives Wright a bit of time to observe things up close . Let the bloke settle in before makes some crazy rash decisions before he really knows the place . The pressure on Wright to be some sort of miracle working messiah is crazy . Give him a fair go .


Mick - I agree with you and I truly hope this is what comes to pass.

No objection to Wright seeking out a senior assistant for Voss, and certainly, at least some of the assistant coaches need to be replaced, but Let Voss coach next year.

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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.


How about we honour his contract and back him in for the next season and see how it goes . Gives Wright a bit of time to observe things up close . Let the bloke settle in before makes some crazy rash decisions before he really knows the place . The pressure on Wright to be some sort of miracle working messiah is crazy . Give him a fair go .


Mick - I agree with you and I truly hope this is what comes to pass.

No objection to Wright seeking out a senior assistant for Voss, and certainly, at least some of the assistant coaches need to be replaced, but Let Voss coach next year.



I agree. See out Voss' current contract and bring in new Assistants if necessary and work the draft/trade period to move us forward.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 8:13 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?


History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.


How about we honour his contract and back him in for the next season and see how it goes . Gives Wright a bit of time to observe things up close . Let the bloke settle in before makes some crazy rash decisions before he really knows the place . The pressure on Wright to be some sort of miracle working messiah is crazy . Give him a fair go .


Mick - I agree with you and I truly hope this is what comes to pass.

No objection to Wright seeking out a senior assistant for Voss, and certainly, at least some of the assistant coaches need to be replaced, but Let Voss coach next year.



I agree. See out Voss' current contract and bring in new Assistants if necessary and work the draft/trade period to move us forward.


Yes Rocky and Carna , that is the way I would go . I reckon Voss would thrive with an old wise head beside him .

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Blue Vain wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
Carlton the 4th most impacted team by injury this year according to Champion Data.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1950134177141006594


Whether you like it or not , that has had a massive impact on our fortunes this year . And great credit to Voss I can't recall him ever offering it as an excuse .


Spot on Mick. The one coach who whinges and makes excuses every week. Brad Scott. And yet, Essendon*** are less impacted by injury over the season than Carlton.
Not once has Voss given anyone an excuse. Including himself. That's what is so pathetic about Brad Scott. He's not protecting his players reputations. He's protecting himself. Oxygen thief.


:clap:

He's all class Vossy.

I just hope with all the apologetistic Effendope* conversations the footy public do think about the damage injury can have on team cohesion, and therefore team success, and maybe they will notice Carlton too has had a dire year with injury, which may explain the ladder position, and that Vossy is not a winger like a lot of other coaches are. Vossy just gets on with the job.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:44 pm 
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It's just so frustrating as we don't know what % of the blame lies with Voss, and how much lies with the players.

I keep flip flopping between the two.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 1:51 am 
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It's just so frustrating as we don't know what % of the blame lies with Voss, and how much lies with the players.

I keep flip flopping between the two.

It’s ALL with the senior players.

They don’t hate to lose. They’re not honest with each other.

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It's just so frustrating as we don't know what % of the blame lies with Voss, and how much lies with the players.

I keep flip flopping between the two.
Yeah.
I mean, it is possible that you can hate your boss or how they want you to do things, but you still show up and put in the effort as that's what your work ethic is and what you're paid to do.
But you can also be in the same position and be the type to go Nah I can't be [REDACTED].


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It's just so frustrating as we don't know what % of the blame lies with Voss, and how much lies with the players.

I keep flip flopping between the two.


I'm a bit this way. I'm not convinced by Voss: he was doing well one way but then the game went the other way. But we've fallen apart several times with the same senior players. It's informative to listen to voices who've left the club, like Russell telling us the players have been trained to lose and are comfortable with it. I suppose if I was on the Sakc Voss train I might find ex players who'd tell me what I want to hear, although I can't recall anything off the top of my head.


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I can't believe people are pro keeping Voss.

Do you really think things will change next year?

I've seen enough.

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If Voss stays. Next year will be the same if not worse.

If the players are not happy, then the buck stops with the coach. So he has to go.

But this club baffles me. Someone tell me it aint so that Voss stays.


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I don't necessarily blame Voss for our current situation, however I think it's clear that we need to make a fresh start next year with a new senior coach and assistants.

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