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Our president was walking amongst the fans on Sunday saying what a great day it was. Was he talking about the f?$&!ng weather??!! At that stage when I heard him we were losing 54-8 to a glorified VFL side. If I was in his position I'd be ashamed to show my face in public. He has had a horrible 12 months in the job.

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Agreed RE: MlG Dukes, he hasn't had a pretty start. But lets put Sunday into perspective: Essendon** had considerable (ex)AFL talent out there, we rested our entire AFL midfield, played most of our other senior players for a half only, blooded all our draftees and played mostly rookies and transfers, and had intentionally limited rotations.

Essendon** should have won by more and it will be a completely different story when we play them during the season.

Perhaps in years past, we would have deviated from the plan and played a stronger side to try and notch up a win - in a meaningless match in February. Now, under Bolton, we're sticking to the program with a single minded focus on the bigger picture. In the face of all the hype and innuendo about our list vs theirs, etc. it takes guts to do this as a coach (and as the administration behind him) and I'm wrapt this is where we're at.

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Agreed RE: MlG Dukes, he hasn't had a pretty start. But lets put Sunday into perspective: Essendon*** had considerable (ex)AFL talent out there, we rested our entire AFL midfield, played most of our other senior players for a half only, blooded all our draftees and played mostly rookies and transfers, and had intentionally limited rotations.

Essendon*** should have won by more and it will be a completely different story when we play them during the season.

Perhaps in years past, we would have deviated from the plan and played a stronger side to try and notch up a win - in a meaningless match in February. Now, under Bolton, we're sticking to the program with a single minded focus on the bigger picture. In the face of all the hype and innuendo about our list vs theirs, etc. it takes guts to do this as a coach (and as the administration behind him) and I'm wrapt this is where we're at.


I agree that Sunday was not the be all and end all but you can't help but feel that it signifies exactly where we are at. We've gone from the fringes of the finals to the bottom in the blink of an eye and it's just bloody frustrating having to smile through another season of mediocrity.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:36 pm 
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Agreed RE: MlG Dukes, he hasn't had a pretty start. But lets put Sunday into perspective: Essendon**** had considerable (ex)AFL talent out there, we rested our entire AFL midfield, played most of our other senior players for a half only, blooded all our draftees and played mostly rookies and transfers, and had intentionally limited rotations.

Essendon**** should have won by more and it will be a completely different story when we play them during the season.

Perhaps in years past, we would have deviated from the plan and played a stronger side to try and notch up a win - in a meaningless match in February. Now, under Bolton, we're sticking to the program with a single minded focus on the bigger picture. In the face of all the hype and innuendo about our list vs theirs, etc. it takes guts to do this as a coach (and as the administration behind him) and I'm wrapt this is where we're at.


I agree that Sunday was not the be all and end all but you can't help but feel that it signifies exactly where we are at. We've gone from the fringes of the finals to the bottom in the blink of an eye and it's just bloody frustrating having to smile through another season of mediocrity.


Thats where i disagree with your appraisal. We have gone from fringes of finals (with no hope of a flag) to bottom of the ladder following a list rebuild and complete makeover, with hope for the future.


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Nicely put tasboy.

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Having reflected on the result I'm giving Bolton a pass based on the theory that of the 3 nab games you'd logically rest your prime engine room against the weakest opposition... Essendon*... rather than copping a much worse hiding from Hawthorn & Sydney.

Having said that, that doesn't excuse the poor display of some players I thought were better than that.


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I really really enjoyed the second half of this game when Harry and Jack got their turn. I loved Harry's argy bargy after the tackle that sparked the little melee and my heart fluttered when Jack had that shot on goal. I loved that all of the supporters made an effort to return to PP and Weiterings first game was ever so pleasing.

NAB means nothing to me as far as the sport of it and the win loss....it's just an appetizer and I saw enough to make me smile against Essendon* and let me tell you...Essendon* is going to have a very very long year.

To be honest I am less concerned with beating Essendon* or Collingwood or winning games that we 'think' we should win ....this is not where we are at. My main interest this year and in the short term is to continue to bring in elite talent through good list management, I want us to continue to change this list over through good trades and inspired drafting and gradually we will have more Weiterings and Cripps and Murphies and Gibbs on our list at which time we can expect to be competitive again. We need to get this right this time, I think the foundations are in place and I am hopeful.

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I watched a bit of Richmonds first NAB Cup game. From memory, early in the last quarter they had scored 2 goals with a depleted midfield and looked woeful.
I also watched Hawthorn play Richmond the following week. Richmond with a very strong side easily accounted for the Hawks who rested Mitchell, Hodge Smith etc. The Hawks had 3 goals on the board with 3 minutes left in the game.

Its obvious from those games that teams who can't win the ball in the middle of the ground can't score. No different to us on the weekend. I understand people are disappointed with the result but its obvious from NAB 1 that our style of play, press and general structure has improved significantly.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:53 am 
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Bolts says it is about being ready for round 1.

Richmond played their A team last weekend as opposed to Carlton who left the majority of the core group out of the side.

Round 1 will show us how the Bolts NAB plan is working. If Richmond run all over us then I would say the Bolts plan was a fail. If we keep up with them or run over them, then Bolts knows what he is doing.

I hope our key players are not underdone.

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Pretty sure the Sydney game will give a few hints.

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Having looked over some of the game tape again, I agree, but there were a few senior players trying some things that had they said out loud to any one, they would have been laughed off for suggesting it.

A good example is Rowe's blatant out on the full kick. He was trying to make look like he wasn't going out of bounds intentionally, and then failed to take it over the line. One more step without an attempt to release the ball and no one would have even noticed because he had an opponent trying to chase him down.

Sadly there's still some panic merchants with the football, and unfortunately they are senior depth in defence and midfield. I hope he and Tutt were dragged across coals for some of the stuff the low percentage stuff they tried to pull, and I hope Tutt is being made to practice kicking at high pace instead of his easy street bullshit where he slows to a crawl.

Tutt can go kick 50 in the VAFA if he wants to play football at a medium pace.

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TheBluesMuse wrote:
I really really enjoyed the second half of this game when Harry and Jack got their turn. I loved Harry's argy bargy after the tackle that sparked the little melee and my heart fluttered when Jack had that shot on goal. I loved that all of the supporters made an effort to return to PP and Weiterings first game was ever so pleasing.

NAB means nothing to me as far as the sport of it and the win loss....it's just an appetizer and I saw enough to make me smile against Essendon** and let me tell you...Essendon** is going to have a very very long year.

To be honest I am less concerned with beating Essendon** or Collingwood or winning games that we 'think' we should win ....this is not where we are at. My main interest this year and in the short term is to continue to bring in elite talent through good list management, I want us to continue to change this list over through good trades and inspired drafting and gradually we will have more Weiterings and Cripps and Murphies and Gibbs on our list at which time we can expect to be competitive again. We need to get this right this time, I think the foundations are in place and I am hopeful.


I agree. By the way though, who are Cripp, Murphie, and Gibb?

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By the way though, who are Cripp, Murphie, and Gibb?

Word is they're not massive fans of the Bloods, so it should be an exciting match on the weekend.

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Blue Vain wrote:
I watched a bit of Richmonds first NAB Cup game. From memory, early in the last quarter they had scored 2 goals with a depleted midfield and looked woeful.
I also watched Hawthorn play Richmond the following week. Richmond with a very strong side easily accounted for the Hawks who rested Mitchell, Hodge Smith etc. The Hawks had 3 goals on the board with 3 minutes left in the game.

Its obvious from those games that teams who can't win the ball in the middle of the ground can't score. No different to us on the weekend. I understand people are disappointed with the result but its obvious from NAB 1 that our style of play, press and general structure has improved significantly.


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moshe25 wrote:
TheBluesMuse wrote:
I really really enjoyed the second half of this game when Harry and Jack got their turn. I loved Harry's argy bargy after the tackle that sparked the little melee and my heart fluttered when Jack had that shot on goal. I loved that all of the supporters made an effort to return to PP and Weiterings first game was ever so pleasing.

NAB means nothing to me as far as the sport of it and the win loss....it's just an appetizer and I saw enough to make me smile against Essendon*** and let me tell you...Essendon*** is going to have a very very long year.

To be honest I am less concerned with beating Essendon*** or Collingwood or winning games that we 'think' we should win ....this is not where we are at. My main interest this year and in the short term is to continue to bring in elite talent through good list management, I want us to continue to change this list over through good trades and inspired drafting and gradually we will have more Weiterings and Cripps and Murphies and Gibbs on our list at which time we can expect to be competitive again. We need to get this right this time, I think the foundations are in place and I am hopeful.


I agree. By the way though, who are Cripp, Murphie, and Gibb?


The Pokémon version of Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs? :?

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tasboy wrote:
Dukes wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Agreed RE: MlG Dukes, he hasn't had a pretty start. But lets put Sunday into perspective: Essendon***** had considerable (ex)AFL talent out there, we rested our entire AFL midfield, played most of our other senior players for a half only, blooded all our draftees and played mostly rookies and transfers, and had intentionally limited rotations.

Essendon***** should have won by more and it will be a completely different story when we play them during the season.

Perhaps in years past, we would have deviated from the plan and played a stronger side to try and notch up a win - in a meaningless match in February. Now, under Bolton, we're sticking to the program with a single minded focus on the bigger picture. In the face of all the hype and innuendo about our list vs theirs, etc. it takes guts to do this as a coach (and as the administration behind him) and I'm wrapt this is where we're at.


I agree that Sunday was not the be all and end all but you can't help but feel that it signifies exactly where we are at. We've gone from the fringes of the finals to the bottom in the blink of an eye and it's just bloody frustrating having to smile through another season of mediocrity.


Thats where i disagree with your appraisal. We have gone from fringes of finals (with no hope of a flag) to bottom of the ladder following a list rebuild and complete makeover, with hope for the future.


We went bottom before starting our list rebuild, as always we break new ground in list management mediocrity. The rebuild started two years too late (should have happened after that round 15 loss to Collingwood in 2013) and the pain continues ...

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Dukes wrote:
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Dukes wrote:
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Agreed RE: MlG Dukes, he hasn't had a pretty start. But lets put Sunday into perspective: Essendon****** had considerable (ex)AFL talent out there, we rested our entire AFL midfield, played most of our other senior players for a half only, blooded all our draftees and played mostly rookies and transfers, and had intentionally limited rotations.

Essendon****** should have won by more and it will be a completely different story when we play them during the season.

Perhaps in years past, we would have deviated from the plan and played a stronger side to try and notch up a win - in a meaningless match in February. Now, under Bolton, we're sticking to the program with a single minded focus on the bigger picture. In the face of all the hype and innuendo about our list vs theirs, etc. it takes guts to do this as a coach (and as the administration behind him) and I'm wrapt this is where we're at.


I agree that Sunday was not the be all and end all but you can't help but feel that it signifies exactly where we are at. We've gone from the fringes of the finals to the bottom in the blink of an eye and it's just bloody frustrating having to smile through another season of mediocrity.


Thats where i disagree with your appraisal. We have gone from fringes of finals (with no hope of a flag) to bottom of the ladder following a list rebuild and complete makeover, with hope for the future.


We went bottom before starting our list rebuild, as always we break new ground in list management mediocrity. The rebuild started two years too late (should have happened after that round 15 loss to Collingwood in 2013) and the pain continues ...


What the club is doing now it should have done when Pagan was sacked (2007).

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Carlton's failure to read the play last Sunday came off the back of a month-long media blitz and 24 hours after their chief executive Steven Trigg had declared "the next three weeks will be crucial" in attracting new and disenfranchised former members to the club.

So the days that followed the Blues' 10-goal thrashing by their weakened but bitter rivals Essendon* cannot have been easy for Trigg. If the club chief had sensed some vulnerability going into the game then that worry would have intensified by Monday night after significantly fewer than 100 supporters signed up.

This one year after the newly installed Trigg regime had endured a catastrophic membership oversight during the 2015 pre-season that saw another crucial subscription window period closed, senior staff sacked and the CEO delivering a public apology.

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Carlton's failure to read the play last Sunday came off the back of a month-long media blitz and 24 hours after their chief executive Steven Trigg had declared "the next three weeks will be crucial" in attracting new and disenfranchised former members to the club.

So the days that followed the Blues' 10-goal thrashing by their weakened but bitter rivals Essendon** cannot have been easy for Trigg. If the club chief had sensed some vulnerability going into the game then that worry would have intensified by Monday night after significantly fewer than 100 supporters signed up.

This one year after the newly installed Trigg regime had endured a catastrophic membership oversight during the 2015 pre-season that saw another crucial subscription window period closed, senior staff sacked and the CEO delivering a public apology.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... z41oxyXHlp
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