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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:49 pm 
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If only he punched him in the temple or eye rather than the forehead, he wouldn't have gotten straight back up. And in the case of the temple he might not have walked from the field in the end. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:53 pm 
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Gibbs to kick 5....!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:41 pm 
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What small forwards do you like for the job BV?


I'm sure they can be creative Jim.
Casboult surrounded by Murphy/Kerridge rotation, Gibbs/Graham rotation, Boekhorst/Wright rotation and Walker in the forward pocket. Cripps reads the ball off hands as well as anyone.
Everett can play as a leading high half forward if they want to play 6 forwards or rotate him with Walker.
I don't want to see Kruezer/Phillips and Casboult running around inside 50 together. We need to look at our strengths instead of flogging a dead horse with our weaknesses.
Lets see how Chaplin, Rance and Grimes go playing on players with good tanks and pace. If Casboult can bring the ball to ground, we only need a 50/50 chance at the ground ball. I believe our midfield can give us an additional 10 inside 50s for the game.
We have to find a way to translate that to 5 scoring shots. Smart, contested ground ball players are the recipe iMHO.


I enjoy reading your posts most of the time BV :thumbsup:

I lack the understanding of the game to be able to talk tactics...and I respect yours as much as the next person so I enjoy reading them.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:44 pm 
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Gibbs to kick 5....!

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.FROM THE PAINT!!!!


sorry.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:17 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:06 pm 
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Pace up forward will be the key. Forget sticking too many lumbering tells up there, if we can slot Casboult 35 out from goal and let the smalls crumb off him, we'll be a chance.
The key will be the midfield. We'll smash them at the clearances and the inside 50 count. We just need to get a bit more productive with our entries. If Murphy plays, I expect him to spend quite a bit of time up forward and kick a couple. Graham is a goal kicking mid so I'll expect a couple from him.
Don't give up yet. Weight of forward 50 entries will sneak us over the line.

@#$%&! the Tiggers.


So true this, you're always a show with a dominant midfield which I also expect to be the case


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:28 pm 
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I saw somewhere a quote from Marc Murphy saying that the midfield boys need to step up too and kick more goals and to be honest, Gibbs & Murphy should be kicking 25goals each a year........ I certainly think they're capable of it.

In 2009, Murphy kicked 31 from 23 games. He hasn't gotten near that since.

Gibbs's best has been 21 from a few years ago......... Needs to do more.


In comparison, Dustin Martin kicked 24goals last season................ Deledio kicked 27.

FFS - Shaun Grigg kicked 16.............


The likes of Kreuzer / Gibbs / Murphy are capable of 20+ goals each per year

Kerridge / Blaine / perhaps even Cripps 15 each.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:45 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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What small forwards do you like for the job BV?


I'm sure they can be creative Jim.
Casboult surrounded by Murphy/Kerridge rotation, Gibbs/Graham rotation, Boekhorst/Wright rotation and Walker in the forward pocket. Cripps reads the ball off hands as well as anyone.
Everett can play as a leading high half forward if they want to play 6 forwards or rotate him with Walker.
I don't want to see Kruezer/Phillips and Casboult running around inside 50 together. We need to look at our strengths instead of flogging a dead horse with our weaknesses.
Lets see how Chaplin, Rance and Grimes go playing on players with good tanks and pace. If Casboult can bring the ball to ground, we only need a 50/50 chance at the ground ball. I believe our midfield can give us an additional 10 inside 50s for the game.
We have to find a way to translate that to 5 scoring shots. Smart, contested ground ball players are the recipe iMHO.


I enjoy reading your posts most of the time BV :thumbsup:

I lack the understanding of the game to be able to talk tactics...and I respect yours as much as the next person so I enjoy reading them.


Ditto :thumbsup: (From the bloke who used to be PD'sPC)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:49 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
No teams tonight?

Thursday teams for a Friday night game; Wednesday teams for a Thursday night game; extended bench for Sunday games in Thursday teams, final squad at 5 PM on Friday.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:51 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
I saw somewhere a quote from Marc Murphy saying that the midfield boys need to step up too and kick more goals and to be honest, Gibbs & Murphy should be kicking 25goals each a year........ I certainly think they're capable of it.

In 2009, Murphy kicked 31 from 23 games. He hasn't gotten near that since.

Gibbs's best has been 21 from a few years ago......... Needs to do more.


In comparison, Dustin Martin kicked 24goals last season................ Deledio kicked 27.

FFS - Shaun Grigg kicked 16.............


The likes of Kreuzer / Gibbs / Murphy are capable of 20+ goals each per year

Kerridge / Blaine / perhaps even Cripps 15 each.

I'd expect 120 from that entire group of names as pass mark for a good season.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:55 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Arnhem blues wrote:
No teams tonight?

Thursday teams for a Friday night game; Wednesday teams for a Thursday night game; extended bench for Sunday games in Thursday teams, final squad at 5 PM on Friday.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:00 pm 
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Richmond fans very pessimistic on this one.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:01 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I saw somewhere a quote from Marc Murphy saying that the midfield boys need to step up too and kick more goals and to be honest, Gibbs & Murphy should be kicking 25goals each a year........ I certainly think they're capable of it.

In 2009, Murphy kicked 31 from 23 games. He hasn't gotten near that since.

Gibbs's best has been 21 from a few years ago......... Needs to do more.


In comparison, Dustin Martin kicked 24goals last season................ Deledio kicked 27.

FFS - Shaun Grigg kicked 16.............


The likes of Kreuzer / Gibbs / Murphy are capable of 20+ goals each per year

Kerridge / Blaine / perhaps even Cripps 15 each.

I'd expect 120 from that entire group of names as pass mark for a good season.


There's not many players in the league who average 20 disposals and a goal a game. You guys are talking about 3, 4 or 5 guys from our club doing it. I'll be bold and predict that it won't happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:22 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I saw somewhere a quote from Marc Murphy saying that the midfield boys need to step up too and kick more goals and to be honest, Gibbs & Murphy should be kicking 25goals each a year........ I certainly think they're capable of it.

In 2009, Murphy kicked 31 from 23 games. He hasn't gotten near that since.

Gibbs's best has been 21 from a few years ago......... Needs to do more.


In comparison, Dustin Martin kicked 24goals last season................ Deledio kicked 27.

FFS - Shaun Grigg kicked 16.............


The likes of Kreuzer / Gibbs / Murphy are capable of 20+ goals each per year

Kerridge / Blaine / perhaps even Cripps 15 each.

I'd expect 120 from that entire group of names as pass mark for a good season.


There's not many players in the league who average 20 disposals and a goal a game. You guys are talking about 3, 4 or 5 guys from our club doing it. I'll be bold and predict that it won't happen.



Yeah i agree there aren't many.

Dangerfield did (arguably the best in the league so that's understandable)
Issac Smith, Luke Hodge regularly do it at Hawthorn (albeit with an extremely talented side around them)
Dustin Martin / Brett Deledio (i rank Murphy equally as good as both them)

So 20+ might be a bit of an ask, but aim high i say.

Hell........ Tom Bell, for all his doubters, he kicked 17 goals and averaged 21disposals per game.


Regardless, i agree with Murphy saying that more goals need to come from the midfield. Fingers crossed they do.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:29 pm 
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I think Gibbs could be really effective in the Deledio type role as a half forward. I think Cripps presents as a real matchup problem for the opposition when he pushes forward. I'd have them as the most capable of getting 20+ goals this year.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:33 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
There's not many players in the league who average 20 disposals and a goal a game. You guys are talking about 3, 4 or 5 guys from our club doing it. I'll be bold and predict that it won't happen.

I did say between them, remembering that between them they'll likely make up 2 of the 6-7 forwards when they're not in midfield.

For reference here's who managed 0.7 or higher with 20+ possessions:

Swan
Pendlebury
Fyfe
Neale
Treloar
Dangerfield
Hodge
Robbie Gray
Martin
Dahlhaus
Parker
Shuey
Joel Selwood
Stephen Hill
Bennell
Wallis
Isaac Smith
Zorko
Barlow
Greene
Harvey
Ablett
Motlop
Crisp
Townsend
Hanley
Deledio
Mitch Duncan
Grigg
Bell
Bontempelli
Lewis Taylor
Steve Johnson
Caddy
Billings
Christensen

With a few more missing out by a hair (Higgins and Matt Thomas).

As for ruckman, here's a list that averaged over 0.7 goals a game and 20 hitouts:
Naitanui
Ryder
McKernan
Kreuzer

So what I'm looking for is far from impossible, hell probably chuck Thomas into the mix for that 120 goal target and it looks extremely achievable if we have a good season. If we ever want to be kicking 300+ goals as a team in a season, I think it's unrealistic to expect 180+ of those to come from the forward group without some major changes to our team defence.

EDIT: Added Cripps by mistake

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:36 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
I think Gibbs could be really effective in the Deledio type role as a half forward. I think Cripps presents as a real matchup problem for the opposition when he pushes forward. I'd have them as the most capable of getting 20+ goals this year.


Yup........ aggree.

Cripps kicked 6goals 13 last year........ so he has proven he can push forward...... just needs to convert them.

It's Boekhorst who I see as potentially kicking 15goals........ which would be very handy.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:57 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
There's not many players in the league who average 20 disposals and a goal a game. You guys are talking about 3, 4 or 5 guys from our club doing it. I'll be bold and predict that it won't happen.

I did say between them, remembering that between them they'll likely make up 2 of the 6-7 forwards when they're not in midfield.

For reference here's who managed 0.7 or higher with 20+ possessions:

Swan
Pendlebury
Fyfe
Neale
Treloar
Dangerfield
Hodge
Robbie Gray
Martin
Dahlhaus
Parker
Shuey
Joel Selwood
Stephen Hill
Bennell
Cripps
Wallis
Isaac Smith
Zorko
Barlow
Greene
Harvey
Ablett
Motlop
Crisp
Townsend
Hanley
Deledio
Mitch Duncan
Grigg
Bell
Bontempelli
Lewis Taylor
Steve Johnson
Caddy
Billings
Christensen

With a few more missing out by a hair (Higgins and Matt Thomas).

As for ruckman, here's a list that averaged over 0.7 goals a game and 20 hitouts:
Natanui
Ryder
McKernan
Kreuzer

So what I'm looking for is far from impossible, hell probably chuck Thomas into the mix for that 120 goal target and it looks extremely achievable if we have a good season. If we ever want to be kicking 300+ goals as a team in a season, I think it's unrealistic to expect 180+ of those to come from the forward group without some major changes to our team defence.


Cripps kicked 6 goals in 20 games, that's not 0.7 per game. Kreuzer is also a tad under 0.7 with 9 goals in 13 games. Bell is no longer here.

You're asking for Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy, Boekhorst, Kerridge and Cripps to average a goal a game each to hit the 'pass mark' of 120 goals as a group. Call me a pessimist, but I don't think they'll get near that.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:07 pm 
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Does seem a stretch.

Almost guaranteed at least losing a fair chunk through injury or whatever.

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