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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:02 pm 
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Bell does the same tackle all the time. He should be suspended too.


What about when Levi flies for one of those pack busting grabs; his knee hits an opponent in the head and knocks him out.
If the head is sacrosanct shouldn't he be suspended?

Could someone please answer this?


..the 'speccy' is sacred.. ....less heads get caved in by knees, but ribs, kidneys, livers,, are all hurt and that's just bad luck..

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:14 pm 
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Like others, I was blown away by the level of aggression and willingness to tackle. Outstanding.

Delighted with Cripps, Bell, Rowe, and a number of others. Probably most pleased with Graham. Didn't think he had AFL weapons. But if he can kick goals and apply defensive pressure like that, he'll play a lot of games.

Great to see us win at the MCG again. It's been a while.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:44 am 
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BlueLife wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Springsteen wrote:
Mark J wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Bell does the same tackle all the time. He should be suspended too.


What about when Levi flies for one of those pack busting grabs; his knee hits an opponent in the head and knocks him out.
If the head is sacrosanct shouldn't he be suspended?

Could someone please answer this?



someone called into to Kb today and asked this, the marking contest is pure accident and unavoidable where the gibbs tackle was deemed as 2 actions with the sling


But doesn't Levi have the same duty of care as Gibbs?
If he chooses to fly for a mark with his knee up, he'd be aware of the potential outcome, and contact is not unavoidable in that situation.
Gibbs didn't intend to knock Gray out; it was an accidental outcome off the tackle.... Was it not?
I still don't see the difference. Either the head is sacrosanct or it's not.
Gibbs had him around the waist!


Gibbs had his arms pinned!!!

I've got no problem with the onus being put on the tackler to make an assessment whether they've got their opponents arms pinned and adjusting their tackle accordingly. Gibbs could have collapsed his knees and brought Gray to the ground. He didn't and went the sling instead. The former would have been the perfect tackle in that situation. The latter did nothing but run the risk of injuring his opponent who couldn't protect himself in the one area everyone knows we don't want injuries.

So both arms pinned is now off the table because the player can't protect his head?
One arm pinned, the so called 'chicken wing' is also suspect?
No arms pinned means the tackled player can handball.
Where is this going?

EDIT: Just watching the second half. At the 5:00 min mark of the third quarter, Carazzo does exactly the same thing as Gibbs but the player isn't knocked out. Same tackle, same bang of the head on the ground, different ranting by the commentators, 'Roo' me old matey, 'Roo', no comment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:28 am 
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You can still argue quite easily that the outcome would have been way different..... You know, like a bloody good tackle!!!!

I am listening to KB now and his anti Carlton biased is obvious. According to him the tackle was illegal.
Does anyone know the rule?

KB is anti sling tackle... He was the one that got the rule in place.

Does anyone really care that Gibbs was suspended? Boekhorst straight, he was sensational in the VFL


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:46 am 
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I'm happy with Dylan Buckley's comments on fox sport, that it isn't going to change our approach to tackling, like it a lot

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:33 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Springsteen wrote:
Mark J wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Bell does the same tackle all the time. He should be suspended too.


What about when Levi flies for one of those pack busting grabs; his knee hits an opponent in the head and knocks him out.
If the head is sacrosanct shouldn't he be suspended?

Could someone please answer this?



someone called into to Kb today and asked this, the marking contest is pure accident and unavoidable where the gibbs tackle was deemed as 2 actions with the sling


But doesn't Levi have the same duty of care as Gibbs?
If he chooses to fly for a mark with his knee up, he'd be aware of the potential outcome, and contact is not unavoidable in that situation.
Gibbs didn't intend to knock Gray out; it was an accidental outcome off the tackle.... Was it not?
I still don't see the difference. Either the head is sacrosanct or it's not.
Gibbs had him around the waist!


yes but gibbs should have grabbed him as he did and dropped down to his knees and grey would have been ok, it was the swinging and slinging action that was deemed rough . going for a mark its natural to have knee in the air and basically unavoidable


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:35 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
kezza wrote:
teagueyubeauty wrote:
You can still argue quite easily that the outcome would have been way different..... You know, like a bloody good tackle!!!!

I am listening to KB now and his anti Carlton biased is obvious. According to him the tackle was illegal.
Does anyone know the rule?

KB is anti sling tackle... He was the one that got the rule in place.

Does anyone really care that Gibbs was suspended? Boekhorst straight, he was sensational in the VFL


im with u there.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:53 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
I'm happy with Dylan Buckley's comments on fox sport, that it isn't going to change our approach to tackling, like it a lot

That is actually a relief. Yep, Gibbs got suspended, maybe it should have been a week or a fine, I'm not concerned about it to be honest. What could be good is if other teams know when they play Carlton the tackling will be ferocious, the inferred pressure will make the opposition dispose in a panic.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:19 pm 
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if I king hit you but I'm weak as piss so all I do it hurt my hand
should I be charged with the same offense as a bloke
who king hits you and kills you? The act was the same but the outcome was different - but we'll treat them the same.

If I drink drive down an empty country road
should I be charged with the same offense
as someone drink driving who plows through a children's crossing killing several kids? - same act but different outcome.

Of course outcomes are taken into consideration, to not do so would be stupid.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:26 pm 
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Springsteen wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Springsteen wrote:
Mark J wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
Bell does the same tackle all the time. He should be suspended too.


What about when Levi flies for one of those pack busting grabs; his knee hits an opponent in the head and knocks him out.
If the head is sacrosanct shouldn't he be suspended?

Could someone please answer this?



someone called into to Kb today and asked this, the marking contest is pure accident and unavoidable where the gibbs tackle was deemed as 2 actions with the sling


But doesn't Levi have the same duty of care as Gibbs?
If he chooses to fly for a mark with his knee up, he'd be aware of the potential outcome, and contact is not unavoidable in that situation.
Gibbs didn't intend to knock Gray out; it was an accidental outcome off the tackle.... Was it not?
I still don't see the difference. Either the head is sacrosanct or it's not.
Gibbs had him around the waist!


yes but gibbs should have grabbed him as he did and dropped down to his knees and grey would have been ok, it was the swinging and slinging action that was deemed rough . going for a mark its natural to have knee in the air and basically unavoidable


The standard tactic when tackled is to drive yourself forward to try to draw an in-the-back, the standard counter as the tackler is to turn the player so you don't fall on their back.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:35 pm 
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The difference Danny is you are comparing 2 illegal acts with different outcomes.

Gibbs tackled Gray legally with a bad outcome.

So if you want to compare (a) speeding through a childrens crossing and mowing down 3 kids with (b) driving within the speed limits and hitting a kid who ran onto the road, you may have a case

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So is the concussion rule/test now redundant ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:15 pm 
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This will probably disrupt our run to the finals now

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:53 pm 
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I'm just happy BG is out. Gives a younger player an opportunity.

Gibbs has had a shocking year. $600k and all. He really needs to decide what he wants out of footy.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:12 am 
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carlton playing unsociable footy

@#$%&! love it !

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:15 am 
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We've actually been playing pretty unsociable footy all year when you think about it :grin:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:18 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:26 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
I'm just happy BG is out. Gives a younger player an opportunity.

Gibbs has had a shocking year. $600k and all. He really needs to decide what he wants out of footy.

Shoulder injury in 2nd practice game, unspecified back injury, impending fatherhood, leading (?) team in tackles this year.
He hasn't been great but shocking is over stating it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:38 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
I'm just happy BG is out. Gives a younger player an opportunity.

Gibbs has had a shocking year. $600k and all. He really needs to decide what he wants out of footy.


You're a battler.

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I hope Gribbs is playing though.
Tough mongrel that bloke.

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