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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:28 am 
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I've settled down a little, so here goes.
As much as I loved Simmo's game, he highlighted the very issue we have on ground at critical moments. Leadership!
He refused and not once mind you, to have a shot at goal!!!!! We did not have 1 player "wanting" to kick the goal at a crucial time. NOT ONE. They all wanted to give it off for someone else to kick it or more importantly make the error. We need to find some onfield leaders. That's it in a nutshell.


..Menzel and Army, Hendo.. ..shitty they missed some chances..


Those 3 had shots BKB. They didn't kick them but off memory Hendo's didn't miss by much either, might have hit the post.
My point is that Simmo didn't want to kick for goal. Was looking left, right, behind and basically refused to go back as a leader and kick for goal. McLean would have gone back and had the shot. Might have missed but he would have taken it without a second thought. That sets the tone through the rest of the players especially the young players. Disappointing display by Simmo.


..i agree, it's actually been a problem for a long time, that too many players look to dish off vs taking responsibility.. ..we do have a few that rarely shirk it, just last night the kicks [for a couple, some did others didn't] didn't go thru the middle.. ..i understand if you're out of range or on the cusp, but some seem to be in range but will still pass it off.. ..sometimes not even their pass comes off!!..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:10 am 
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After some reflection time I've decided Saturday night was easily our best moral victory of the season.

We beat them in contested ball, forward 50 entries, scoring shots and efficiency.

Things are looking up.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:01 pm 
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Against my better judgement I went to the game Saturday night and I have to admit I had my eyes opened so much. I was more demoralised after the first game when they beat us but I still felt that we played the better footy for longer that night, I couldn't say the same for last Saturday and being honest I started to stop caring about this team which I could never see happening. To say I'm disillusioned right now is a massive understatement.

I was trying not to come on here and comment because I detest Essendon** and I knew that would cloud my judgement but I've just seen Murph's presser from after the game and I need to vent a little! He says that this game was a big one for the fans!!! No captain flower it was a big game for the season! In any other season last Saturday would have been do or die and again we died! Even worse the bombers were cooked in that first quarter but we kept giving them a break!

Look to the Cats, after they lost the GF in 08 they promised eachother to never lose to the Hawks again, 5 seasons and counting and the Hawks still can't get over them. You could pick any loss to the bombers over the last 5 years where you could say time for a line in the sand but most of all Round 4 last season and the gloating over the Carazzo injury and basically the beginning of the end for Ratts. You'd pretty much think time to man up and make it personal and make it your business to never let them beat you but no its only us fans who take such things as personal! If I remember Murph was on Game Day the next day saying he can't wait to play the bombers again. As mentioned before they had all day to react and did nothing.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has said this but we really need to get in 3-4 b@stards to harden up our team. I may get shot for this but I wouldn't be chasing Daisy right now, I'd be checking up on Brad Sewell and see what is needed to get him across and start from there.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:04 pm 
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You should post more often Navy Irish. :wink:


But as for Brad Sewell, we could have taken him in the 2002 Pre-Season Draft instead of Jonothan McCormick. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:51 pm 
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Against my better judgement I went to the game Saturday night and I have to admit I had my eyes opened so much. I was more demoralised after the first game when they beat us but I still felt that we played the better footy for longer that night, I couldn't say the same for last Saturday and being honest I started to stop caring about this team which I could never see happening. To say I'm disillusioned right now is a massive understatement.

I was trying not to come on here and comment because I detest Essendon*** and I knew that would cloud my judgement but I've just seen Murph's presser from after the game and I need to vent a little! He says that this game was a big one for the fans!!! No captain flower it was a big game for the season! In any other season last Saturday would have been do or die and again we died! Even worse the bombers were cooked in that first quarter but we kept giving them a break!

Look to the Cats, after they lost the GF in 08 they promised eachother to never lose to the Hawks again, 5 seasons and counting and the Hawks still can't get over them. You could pick any loss to the bombers over the last 5 years where you could say time for a line in the sand but most of all Round 4 last season and the gloating over the Carazzo injury and basically the beginning of the end for Ratts. You'd pretty much think time to man up and make it personal and make it your business to never let them beat you but no its only us fans who take such things as personal! If I remember Murph was on Game Day the next day saying he can't wait to play the bombers again. As mentioned before they had all day to react and did nothing.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has said this but we really need to get in 3-4 b@stards to harden up our team. I may get shot for this but I wouldn't be chasing Daisy right now, I'd be checking up on Brad Sewell and see what is needed to get him across and start from there.


:thumbsup:

They are way too nice.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:07 pm 
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In hindsight, as gutted as I am by the result, glad I can see coaching for long term benefit. Went out at half time, thinking for us to win Waite had to be moved off Hurley, and Gibbs off Watson.

From what I understand, neither occurred. Waite forward isn't the long term answer. I assume it's only a matter of time before we recruit a backman or a fit Watson supercedes him down there too.

We played Gibbs in the midfield, it didn't work out. Beats him beating the Spider Ricos of the competition down back every week.

We're better off for both in the long run.

@#$%&! Essendon*.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:11 pm 
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You should post more often Navy Irish. :wink:


But as for Brad Sewell, we could have taken him in the 2002 Pre-Season Draft instead of Jonothan McCormick. :wink:

so our recruiting efficiency goes that far back - jonothon who?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:59 pm 
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In hindsight, as gutted as I am by the result, glad I can see coaching for long term benefit. Went out at half time, thinking for us to win Waite had to be moved off Hurley, and Gibbs off Watson.

From what I understand, neither occurred. Waite forward isn't the long term answer. I assume it's only a matter of time before we recruit a backman or a fit Watson supercedes him down there too.

We played Gibbs in the midfield, it didn't work out. Beats him beating the Spider Ricos of the competition down back every week.

We're better off for both in the long run.

@#$%&! Essendon**.



That's true actually was thinking during the 3rd qtr that it looked like Waite was sooking at having to play back on Hurley but was glad that the swap wasn't made.

Hendo will hold us up front & might be time for Waite to retire this year, I'd rather get smacked playing a kid who can grow into the role than lose playing a 30 yr old next year.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:18 am 
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NavyIrish wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
In hindsight, as gutted as I am by the result, glad I can see coaching for long term benefit. Went out at half time, thinking for us to win Waite had to be moved off Hurley, and Gibbs off Watson.

From what I understand, neither occurred. Waite forward isn't the long term answer. I assume it's only a matter of time before we recruit a backman or a fit Watson supercedes him down there too.

We played Gibbs in the midfield, it didn't work out. Beats him beating the Spider Ricos of the competition down back every week.

We're better off for both in the long run.

@#$%&! Essendon***.



That's true actually was thinking during the 3rd qtr that it looked like Waite was sooking at having to play back on Hurley but was glad that the swap wasn't made.

Hendo will hold us up front & might be time for Waite to retire this year, I'd rather get smacked playing a kid who can grow into the role than lose playing a 30 yr old for half the games next year.

EFA :cry:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:48 am 
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NavyIrish wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
In hindsight, as gutted as I am by the result, glad I can see coaching for long term benefit. Went out at half time, thinking for us to win Waite had to be moved off Hurley, and Gibbs off Watson.

From what I understand, neither occurred. Waite forward isn't the long term answer. I assume it's only a matter of time before we recruit a backman or a fit Watson supercedes him down there too.

We played Gibbs in the midfield, it didn't work out. Beats him beating the Spider Ricos of the competition down back every week.

We're better off for both in the long run.

@#$%&! Essendon***.



That's true actually was thinking during the 3rd qtr that it looked like Waite was sooking at having to play back on Hurley but was glad that the swap wasn't made.

Hendo will hold us up front & might be time for Waite to retire this year, I'd rather get smacked playing a kid who can grow into the role than lose playing a 30 yr old next year.


Two of the more baffling decisions in recent times include:

- Waite being offered a 3 year contract; and
- Waite being included in the leadership group

He needs to be moved on quickly

The club realised 2 years too late that he was never going to be the answer in relation to a KPF


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:49 am 
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WOW wrote:
NavyIrish wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
In hindsight, as gutted as I am by the result, glad I can see coaching for long term benefit. Went out at half time, thinking for us to win Waite had to be moved off Hurley, and Gibbs off Watson.

From what I understand, neither occurred. Waite forward isn't the long term answer. I assume it's only a matter of time before we recruit a backman or a fit Watson supercedes him down there too.

We played Gibbs in the midfield, it didn't work out. Beats him beating the Spider Ricos of the competition down back every week.

We're better off for both in the long run.

@#$%&! Essendon****.



That's true actually was thinking during the 3rd qtr that it looked like Waite was sooking at having to play back on Hurley but was glad that the swap wasn't made.

Hendo will hold us up front & might be time for Waite to retire this year, I'd rather get smacked playing a kid who can grow into the role than lose playing a 30 yr old next year.


Two of the more baffling decisions in recent times include:

- Waite being offered a 3 year contract; and
- Waite being included in the leadership group

He needs to be moved on quickly

The club realised 2 years too late that he was never going to be the answer in relation to a KPF


Any chance we can go back to 09 and take Talia instead of Lucas! :cry:

Is this the 3rd year of that Waite deal of have is there another year left, I can't remember?

I'm actually beginning to think we aint going to win a flag as long as we have a no.1 pick running around in the side. We cut corners pretty much to get those guys, yeah we were rubbish during that period but I've always felt we traded away a bit of our soul to get the picks. You win or lose with the cattle you have and I think we were trying to be too smart around then.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:52 am 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
AGRO wrote:
You should post more often Navy Irish. :wink:


But as for Brad Sewell, we could have taken him in the 2002 Pre-Season Draft instead of Jonothan McCormick. :wink:

so our recruiting efficiency goes that far back - jonothon who?



We probably would have developed Brad Sewell straight back to the Stone Age so it wouldn't of mattered anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:00 am 
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Carlton are getting no credit in the media for their role in Essendon*'s "astonishing/incredible/amazing" win.

3.9 in the first quarter alone.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Not sure how this escaped sighting at the MRP. Happened in front of my members seats. The footage on channel 7 is a bit inconclusive but from my seats it was nothing more than a cheap shot from Watson to elbow Murphy in the neck/head.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:55 pm 
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I'm just sick of these f**** getting away with these type of things. Seriously how the f*** do we not get free kicks for these acts. Are our players always on the blind side of the 3 umpires?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:07 pm 
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I'm just sick of these f**** getting away with these type of things. Seriously how the f*** do we not get free kicks for these acts. Are our players always on the blind side of the 3 umpires?


Don't get angry Surrey, lets trust that under MM we get even... :fight:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:56 pm 
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What about the trip on Betts, don't you get cited for deliberate trips anymore?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:13 pm 
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Forearm to Yarran's head from Hocking(?) got nothing???

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:40 pm 
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I think you're all being very hard on the players.

They are obviously working very hard to be mediocre in every respect. I think their achievements in this regard speak for themselves.

I have never seen a group who just accepts what the game throws at them to the extent that this group does, instead of wrestling with momentum and bending it to their will. If the game flows our way, great - they do all the right things and kid themselves about how tough they are. If it goes pear shaped, oh well, it just wasn't our week, time to move on.

I would be paying Jude Bolton $600k plus to get down here and give this group some mental fortitude. He built a career on attitude and effort being non-negotiable week in week out.


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Forearm to Yarran's head from Hocking(?) got nothing???


1 week


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