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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:41 am 
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When did McKay start exactly Cimm?
And if we didnt have a footy manager youd think that was Ratts doing completely.. which makes it all the more damning against him i would have thought?
Which also means Dermie is a bigger imbecile than previously thought.. or Dermie just hates Melbourne....

Cos if i got my dates wrong.. Ratten is the negligent fool that just keeps costing more than we always thought.. so hardly bringing up what Dermie wrote as any kind of credit...
Right???? :thumbsup:

Anyway.. you give me McKays starting date... and ill let you know if my dates are jumbled.


Nah, you look it up.

I did it once before remember?

I'm not sure why you have it in for McKay. Did something bad happen to you in '95?

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cimm1979 wrote:
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When did McKay start exactly Cimm?
And if we didnt have a footy manager youd think that was Ratts doing completely.. which makes it all the more damning against him i would have thought?
Which also means Dermie is a bigger imbecile than previously thought.. or Dermie just hates Melbourne....

Cos if i got my dates wrong.. Ratten is the negligent fool that just keeps costing more than we always thought.. so hardly bringing up what Dermie wrote as any kind of credit...
Right???? :thumbsup:

Anyway.. you give me McKays starting date... and ill let you know if my dates are jumbled.


Nah, you look it up.

I did it once before remember?

I'm not sure why you have it in for McKay. Did something bad happen to you in '95?



yes it made footballers from that era end up taking over the club and running it into the ground

PResident ...Sticks
Footy manager ...McKay
Coach.. Ratten...

5 crucial roles a club has.. add CEO and recruitment manager in there...

and three have been taken up by ex players from that year.....

nothing weird about that????.................

nothing???

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:56 am 
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Anyway... if people blame MM for the list management at the end of last year... i would think McKay should be included in that... as he is ... you know?.... football manager and knows the players??... MM just walked in.. what kind of calls can he make ???

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:00 pm 
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Anyway... if people blame MM for the list management at the end of last year... i would think McKay should be included in that... as he is ... you know?.... football manager and knows the players??... MM just walked in.. what kind of calls can he make ???


So you've been slagging off McKay and you have no idea who's contracts he's responsible for?

Your entire basis for this attack is because he's part of the '95 team and was appointed while Sticks was Prez?

The pity is Synners he could be the worst list manager of all time, but he'd still have more credibility than any one of your posts of the matter.

Just do some research, you might be right.

:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Well if he was a good footy manager.. why didnt he re-constitute our list instead of people blaming malthouse who could hardly know it right??

:lol:

can you tell me what a footy manager is responsible for???

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Ok let me put it this way.. might he be responsibe as one of his duties to balance our list.. or improve it???.... or are you thinking nup???

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Well if he was a good footy manager.. why didnt he re-constitute our list instead of people blaming malthouse who could hardly know it right??

:lol:

can you tell me what a footy manager is responsible for???


No Synners.

I realise backing up arguments with facts is not your strong point, but I think you may just have to wander outside your comfort zone this time.

Give us a review of McKay's time as footy manager. Go on, it might support your argument. Why won't you do it.

Surprise yourself, because at the moment its entirely based on the perception he's a mate of Sticks, he might be a buffoon, you may even be right.

Unfortunately he's looking decidedly more clever than you at this point.

Harms all your other arguments Synners, because currently it's coloured by your Sticks hatred.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:13 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

So you've been slagging off McKay and you have no idea who's contracts he's responsible for?

Not many at all expect for the re-signings.

McKay took over from Icke in October 2011. Hardly enough time to set your office up let alone have impact upon any proceedings.

Once Ratten got his way and signed up Davies, Joseph and Ellard for two years and for the issues we came across with Judd's contract, his hands were largely tied again in 2012.

We got it wrong and not that we needed to trade but that we couldn't even if we wanted to. Things may just be a little different this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:14 pm 
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Denim wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
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Someone can be a good coach and still be full of it.


That's our Mick to a tee...he is most definitely full of it. But people, especially those who look up to him, seem to lap it up.

Nothing like an inspirational, animated and expressive bit of shit talk from a respected man to get the fire in the belly going. Ratten had as much charisma as my indoor plant....and I don't even own one!


Yeah, but you know what I'm getting at. We (as in the coach, people around the club) can say what they like, they can have all the plans in the world but if the reality doesn't stack up then it won't happen. I say we forget the immediate past and look at where we are at now. Let's also look where other clubs fit into the scheme of things. Yes, if everything went right and some things went wrong elsewhere, anything could happen but how likely is that?

You will notice (people in general, not BluesMuse) that we at least didn't (for whatever reason) make the required changes during the draft and trade period last season so that has put us on the back-foot for a start. Who knows what plans and changes opposition clubs have put in place, I mean , who has really studied and evaluated it? It's not us versus us, it's us versus some other bastards. Yes, Malthouse has made mistakes and I would have liked a few more wins but reality is reality. What I see is a side with struggling key forwards, aging stars and a bunch of glorified rookie players. I don't see an under-performed top-four side; at best that belongs in the past that is no longer relevant.


I thought that early on, but I now believe we are not as far off a top 4 side (on capability at least) I expect 2nd half of the season to reflect that. And that's despite having around 25% of the list as almost having been confirmed as needing to be recycled.

And some of those rookies are proving to be genuine worthy performers, Cachia especially.


There is a difference between being 'worthy' and being the types of players that will help you win premierships. Especially if you have too many of them in the side.

You also don't want to get too carried away by one 'near win' against Hawthorn. As I said, too many things have to go right. Gibbs has to perform at that level most weeks, Cachia has to keep it up and even improve, Casboult has to get fitter and learn how to kick, Menzel has to return to the side and develop relatively quickly, the bye needs to rejuvenate Judd, Waite needs to stay injury free and not get himself reported, Yarran needs to stop sooking and put more effort in and Garlett needs to show up against the top sides. I'm not even factoring in the injuries to Robbo and Murphy which I don't know what's the go with.

Yes about eleven players on the list need to be turned over, that should be fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:17 pm 
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Actually it doesnt.

Our list management is pretty terrible.. and i would consider that part of his job.
Also... as footy manager he would have input in Ratten signed up.. then sacked.. then malthouse signed up.. assistat coaches etc...

You tell me what kind of handle did he have on all that???

Or youre going to tell me he is footy manager but not footy manager???

He either is .. or he isnt!!!
Whats his positive role around the clib??

Barker?..
Capuano?
The VFL coach from last year...

he is intimately involved in all of that and how the club functions re its footy matters..

or no???

you dont have a clue do u???

My point is...

Sticks crap
Ratts crap
What tells you McKay isnt following suit???

Cos he played for us??

What aspect of our footy dept does he have down pat??

Was he involved in Waites 3 year contract?
i dunno.. all i see is a mess...!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:17 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

So you've been slagging off McKay and you have no idea who's contracts he's responsible for?

Not many at all expect for the re-signings.

McKay took over from Icke in October 2011. Hardly enough time to set your office up let alone have impact upon any proceedings.

Once Ratten got his way and signed up Davies, Joseph and Ellard for two years and for the issues we came across with Judd's contract, his hands were largely tied again in 2012.

We got it wrong and not that we needed to trade but that we couldn't even if we wanted to. Things may just be a little different this year.


I also thought that McKay had had some run ins with Ratts in regards to contracts.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:19 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Actually it doesnt.

Our list management is pretty terrible.. and i would consider that part of his job.
Also... as footy manager he would have input in Ratten signed up.. then sacked.. then malthouse signed up.. assistat coaches etc...

You tell me what kind of handle did he have on all that???

Or youre going to tell me he is footy manager but not footy manager???

He either is .. or he isnt!!!
Whats his positive role around the clib??

Barker?..
Capuano?
The VFL coach from last year...

he is intimately involved in all of that and how the club functions re its footy matters..

or no???

you dont have a clue do u???

My point is...

Sticks crap
Ratts crap
What tells you McKay isnt following suit???

Cos he played for us??

What aspect of our footy dept does he have down pat??

Was he involved in Waites 3 year contract?
i dunno.. all i see is a mess...!!!


Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a pumpkin.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Whats deflecting about outlining a football managers job???
All those things he helps oversee.

Coaches
Assistant coaches
Recruiting
List management.
VFL structures.
Contracts

You better be good.!!!.. so what is it about McKay that tells you he is the best in the land???

yeah i know he is kind of Ok.. thats the problem isnt it...???... too many ok people....average.. mediocre.

So what is it about McKay that TELLS YOU..!!!.. he is good..

let me know what jumps out at you...

Comeon!!!... dont be shy.....

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:26 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Actually it doesnt.

Our list management is pretty terrible.. and i would consider that part of his job.
Also... as footy manager he would have input in Ratten signed up.. then sacked.. then malthouse signed up.. assistat coaches etc...

You tell me what kind of handle did he have on all that???

Or youre going to tell me he is footy manager but not footy manager???

He either is .. or he isnt!!!
Whats his positive role around the clib??

Barker?..
Capuano?
The VFL coach from last year...

he is intimately involved in all of that and how the club functions re its footy matters..

or no???

you dont have a clue do u???

My point is...

Sticks crap
Ratts crap
What tells you McKay isnt following suit???

Cos he played for us??

What aspect of our footy dept does he have down pat??

Was he involved in Waites 3 year contract?
i dunno.. all i see is a mess...!!!


Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

Deflect.......!!!!!???

Deflect......!!!!???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a pumpkin.



What's he defecting from? :confused: All I see is a post in need of a quote.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:27 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Whats deflecting about outlining a football managers job???
All those things he helps oversee.

Coaches
Assistant coaches
Recruiting
List management.
VFL structures.
Contracts

You better be good.!!!.. so what is it about McKay that tells you he is the best in the land???

yeah i know he is kind of Ok.. thats the problem isnt it...???... too many ok people....average.. mediocre.

So what is it about McKay that TELLS YOU..!!!.. he is good..

let me know what jumps out at you...

Comeon!!!... dont be shy.....


No silly boy.

This is your pig, you get to dress it.

You're the one making McKay out to be useless because he played in the '95 flag team with Sticks

Just give us something based on fact, anything.

Nope, didn't think so. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:28 pm 
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cimm i need to know what it is about mckay that has you confident..

start with the coaches and contracts.. extensions and sackings and then the pay out.. and the new appointments.
VFL coaches
development setups etc

how is barker and capuano going???

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:32 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Whats deflecting about outlining a football managers job???
All those things he helps oversee.

Coaches
Assistant coaches
Recruiting
List management.
VFL structures.
Contracts

You better be good.!!!.. so what is it about McKay that tells you he is the best in the land???

yeah i know he is kind of Ok.. thats the problem isnt it...???... too many ok people....average.. mediocre.

So what is it about McKay that TELLS YOU..!!!.. he is good..

let me know what jumps out at you...

Comeon!!!... dont be shy.....


No silly boy.

This is your pig, you get to dress it.

You're the one making McKay out to be useless because he played in the '95 flag team with Sticks

Just give us something based on fact, anything.

Nope, didn't think so. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Actually im interested in results...!!!

I dont care who they are... because im interested in results .. i see bad results.. unless were looking at mediocrity favourably these days and i see a common thread...

THREE out of the FIVE mediocre performers are from the 95 team...

I call them mediocre and i give my reasons.

Now you tell me how they have fulfilled their job to a high standard??? :lol: :thumbsup:

IIve outlined where they fall down... you can debate it with me... and give reasons why they have been very good...!!!

You actually have no clue what youre talking about do you???

:screwy:

REASONS how they have administered this club to a high standard is what im asking you to give!!

Can you???? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:34 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm i need to know what it is about mckay that has you confident..

start with the coaches and contracts.. extensions and sackings and then the pay out.. and the new appointments.
VFL coaches
development setups etc

how is barker and capuano going???


No, Synners.

Your the one with the statements.

You tell me how they are going. Obviously you have a hotline to MM and his evaluation of the coaching staff.
What do you think of the coaches?

You can't make an assessment of them in your slippers!!!

If they are no good they'll be gone I would think after a year with MM.

Richo is considered a fantastic assistant but he's gone, why didn't MM want him?

Truth is, we don't know.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:37 pm 
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CIMM REASONS why McKay has been very good.. im off to the VFL... when i get back i need to see some FACTS a nd reasons.. why McKAy has been great for the club.

Start with coaching.. assistant coaching... and VFL appointents please
Then move through the list.... and list management.
development and recruitment.

remember... to highlight the highlights.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:39 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cimm i need to know what it is about mckay that has you confident..

start with the coaches and contracts.. extensions and sackings and then the pay out.. and the new appointments.
VFL coaches
development setups etc

how is barker and capuano going???


No, Synners.

Your the one with the statements.

You tell me how they are going. Obviously you have a hotline to MM and his evaluation of the coaching staff.
What do you think of the coaches?

You can't make an assessment of them in your slippers!!!

If they are no good they'll be gone I would think after a year with MM.

Richo is considered a fantastic assistant but he's gone, why didn't MM want him?

Truth is, we don't know.



Of course YOU dont know......!!!

But with eyes open and half a brain ....you can see results...

:lol:

average average average...average club.


Consider the coaching situation.... just as starters.. the VFL job debacle...

Is that good for a footy club??

Who are the people responsible???

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