I too have heard a few comments from Ratts this week about various matters.
Frankly I can't see how he could've responded better -- I thought he showed noticable
maturity.

It's not reasonable to sack Ratts based on his results. A fair case has been made, (IMO),
about his game plan not being up to it - especially against top 4 teams. I expect that debate
has some time to run! However one point seems to me to be regularly overlooked : he's learning.
Coach Ratts circa 2012 is considerably more experienced than say coach Ratts circa 2010 and so
on. Maybe we have underplayed some kids and maybe it's his fault; maybe. I'd doubt that this
will happen under his influence again.

IMO Coach Ratts circa 2013 is worth a go.

Great win today but I am not getting carried away.
A few wins over struggling teams is not good barometer of Ratten as a coach.
This is deja vu 2010. The big picture is that after 4 years Ratten's best finish is an elimination final.
Our player development and management which Ratten over see's is still poor.
Clarkson, Bomber, MM, Roos, even Grant Thomas had taken their teams to at least a PF by year 4 if not a premiership.
Min pass mark for Ratten has to be PF with the list available.

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The bigger picture though is that he took over a team that had just won three consecutive wooden spoons, (or
close enough too it anyway). People make jokes about how we tanked to get all the #1 picks when the reality is that
we really were that bad. As I said, I don't believe that the teams win/loss stats for his tenure would justify his sacking.

You raise a good point though. The other main criticism of Ratten is based on some perception that the list is super
wonderful and should be winning more games, (regardless of whether the better players are actually on the field or not).
The question I like to ask is what is that perception based on?

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Ultimately I agree with you John.

But I reckon whatever the board was thinking 7-8 weeks ago is probably quite different to what they're thinking now.

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Whatever happened today is in a lot of ways irrelevant. It's one game. If people are judging the coach on one game we really are in trouble.

The decision must be made (if not already! ) on whether they believe Ratten is the right person to lead our club to a premiership. Nothing else.

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Which is why they should go too.

Assessments should be made based on the last five years and what they see as strengths and weaknesses that show up over time.

And yet you're probably right - a win over an old rival who hasn't won for over a month and they're probably drafting an extension to Ratt's contract (assuming Sticks doesn't already have one in his back pocket).

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Ratten is proving he is learning & adjusting in his time. That injuries this year have done us in. And, the guys are playing hard for him.

Whether that's enough for him to keep his job, time will tell. I thought today's game was pivotal for his career. He loses, he's gone, if he wins it goes to the review, and if we smash them, he'll keep his job.

Well he is contracted until next year, and I believe the club will honour that contract. I also think Geelong weren't too sure on Mark Thompson either.
FWIW, if we win our next 2 games, and somehow sneak into the 8, he's all but certain for next year. A sacking now smells too much like the John Elliott era for my liking, so I think he will be coach for 2013 imo.

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It would be a tragedy if we keep ratten and malt house is available. Today was great against the 10th best side in the comp. Seriosly who have we beaten? Imagine what this group could do with a great coach

The question had to be asked around the middle of the year, but since then we've rallied and 2013 looks bright.

This thread is now as irrelevant as Essendon*'s season.

Given how close he was to not being appointed last year, I can't see a result below a prelim giving him much to work with.

Too little, too late, and the grass appears greener on the other side. Never good when you have two cliches against you....

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What about....

One in the hand is worth two in the bush?

Dunno, don't watch that much bush footy..

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And come to think of it, isn't 'the grass is always greener' used as an expression to resist change for changes sake?
Because after we go backwards under MM (this will happen if he's appointed, at least initially, make no mistake), then suddenly the other side (Ratts) will suddenly look greener again

For evidence, visit bomberblitz getting nostalgic on....wait for it...Knights!

Ratts may not be the most eloquent public speaker

Half the playing list may not be the sharpest tools in the shed

Its a bloody hard gig coaching.

One thing for sure is that the coach cannot be held accountable for collision injuries...that's whats derailed our season

Carrots - shoulder
Murph - shoulder
Laidler - knee
Waite - back
Knockers - shoulder
Hammer - knee
Simmo - broken jaw
Kruezer - knee

we've improved every year under his tutelage, from the lowest base.

Give him a year with an injury list like the Roo's... and then see how we go.

The board may be dysfunctional, but they have no control over the above as well.

MM can piss off

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Dunno about various coaching finer points but one thing sticks in my guts...Malthouse is a flog.

I just don't think he's the best man for the job...maybe better than Ratts development wise, but I keep getting flashbacks of Pagan all over again.

I for one will be gutted if we top up MM's super fund.

Yep. Nothing to do with today. We've seen enough examples of how good this side can be when on.

Some of the questions marks that have rightly or wrongly being asked, and cant be answered on one performace are....

- the ability for the side to 'be on' mentally and physically when game is seen as 'just another home and away game' and not carrying any sort of extra incentive.

- the ability to beat teams when not given space on the spread and inside forward 50.

- the ability to win games played on opposition's terms

- the ability to string more than 4 wins in a row together through playing consistent and predictable football that doesn't necessarily rely on pure
natural talent.

- the ability to regularly match it against the top 4 sides

- the ability to be competitive, keep structures, and have players understanding roles when playing without key personal. (big tick for the backline today)

- the ability to deliver and clear and concise gameplan that is has the full understanding and 'buy in' from the players.

- the ability to bridge the gap between it's best and worst football with players earning the reputation of 'knowing what you are going to get each time they run out.

- the ability to understand the best role/position of each player, to get the most out of their ability, and to have a successful development program in place to achieve such goals

etc...

Robbo's coaching for career article was nonsense. It's about 5 years, not 4 quarters. As if a decision would be made either way when injuries, umpiring, bad kicking for goal etc can sometimes be the difference in getting the four points or not...

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Ratten will be coaching carlton in 2013. There is no way the club will get rid of Ratten now, even if we just miss out on making the 8. To have the worst injury list we have since 2002 and to possibly finish on 12 or 13 wins, is a pretty good effort. Most teams with bad injuries in a season finish bottom 4.

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