Thats your contribution is it?
Why am i not surprised?


By the way... sunlight IS the best disinfectant.
These people running our club cant stand up to the sunlight...

"We know nothing!!!"

They cant see a crisis if it hit them on the head ...

Sticks will address the players january 4.....
The man who took them all out drinking at the GC...

Ratts the man who thinks Setanta should do more to "fit in with the others" and that his celibacy with alcohol doesnt help him...
Swann says "unofficial Christmas party"


We are being run by outdated people... in an outdated fashion... and its showing big time!!!

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I have written 4 emails in the last 48 hrs and another one now to express my dismay and absolute disgust. Whether they read it is another question! I am gutted! I could say so much more but most has been posted already. The core is rotten and has poisoned the whole! The foundations are still rotten and still more pain to come before we really can go forward. But like most have posted, it starts at the top. Enough said.

that latest article is by far the worst.

the kids been at the club what, less than two weeks!

I feel really sorry for the lad, obviosuly the peer pressure would have been huge.

we have massive issues.

heads need to roll from the CEO down.

we are a RABBLE!

http://aflpa.com.au/sites/all/files/AFL ... _FINAL.pdf

Pg 76 States:

6.1 Subject to paragraph 6.3, a Player shall be entitled to a minimum period of leave of absence, from all employment obligations with his AFL Club, of eight weeks (ie 56 days) commencing from the date of the last Match contested by his AFL Club or in the case where the last Match contested was held overseas, six weeks from the date of that Match (“the leave period”).

An additional one week period of leave shall be provided for the period commencing 23 December and ceasing 1 January (inclusive) the following year.

Reading the CBA in only states the players can't be forced to train, no mention of a Club meeting.

6.8 Subject to paragraph 6.3, during the leave periods referred to in this clause, a Player on the List of an AFL Club shall not be required by an AFL Club to attend any
training organised by or on behalf of the AFL Club.

This club is a disgrace. An absolute and utter disgrace.

I sometimes wonder if TC reflects the feelings of the broader Carlton community. So yesterday I guaged the feeling of three members who don't frequent this (or any other) site. One has been a member since the 1980's, one since the 1990's, and one since 2002. All of them bleed blue. None of them are renewing their memberships next year.

I feel disgust and dismay.

I received my membership yesterday. I joined early in a show of support for making the tough decision to get rid of Fev. I feel like cutting it up and posting it back.

As for Sticks giving a lecture to the players... nonsense! The rabble that the club has become under his charge shows the need for an immediate change of leadership. He can't carry any credibility with the playing group on issues of drinking. We can't have a role model like Sticks taken seriously on this issue... he bears no credibility whatsoever on the matter. Sticks is part of the problem, and a gracious stepping aside from the Presidency should be part of the cure.

I also feel the AFL will investigate us a la West Coast now. This has gone too far for them to let it go. In fact, they would be derelict not to do so. I would go so far as to say that I hope it happens, because obviously matters are outside of our control.

Is that a message Carlton Football Club? Is that a message to you? That the AFL should come in and sort out this sorry mess that you have become? That you have three longtime members not renewing next year because of the continuing disgust they feel at the antics of the players? That you have a President who offers nothing in terms of leadership and credibility on a hugely confronting social issue? That you have members actually physically feeling like cutting up and posting back their memberships?

I bet it's not a message, because nothing seems to work. And to the guys with the five year olds trying to explain all of thsi to them - I don't envy you one bit.

Ian Coutts on leave until the 18th January. Read Receipt came back though, although he may of just flicked over my message.

Greg Swann has no Out Of Office notification so I'd say he is working.

I posted a thread called "a fish rots from the head"
This was after the Fevola saga. The club would have been better seen if it had of acted earlier when Brendan [REDACTED] up at the dry cleaners.
Giving just fines means nothing to the players and 5000 is nothing given the wages they earn.

Get real sticks

If you really want to change the culture of the place have a meeting today not Jan 4th. If players cant attend there are phones. There would be enough players to get to the botton of it and suspend the ones that were involved
Betts
Robinson
Walker
Houlihan
for starters
Take their obvious god given right that they can represent the club for 4 months. Take away the right to play the first 4 games of the season and let them squirm in thr ressies for another month and at the end of MAy they can be considered for senior selection

I know how you feel Keogh but I am okay with January 4th as long as something effective is done about the whole issue.

It would be a logistical nightmare, costly and unfair to those who are doing the right thing. It will also eat away at the players concerned over the break.

The important point for me is that these guys are suspended from selection UNTIL they earn the right to rejoin the main group. Being kept away from the others would be a massive wakeup call to all of them.

The pity is that all of them had been training extremely well and were looking good for a big season.

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I wonder if Leading Teams has faced a challenge like this one before.

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#GUILTY

just posted this in another forum......while I agree in principle, I don't agree with your methods.........punitive action will have limited efectiveness if there is a broader cultural problem of excessive drinking.

Straight from the literature:

Quote:
"The cross cultural evidence indicates that drinking abuse will be low in any group in which drinking customs, values and sanctions are clear, agreed upon by all, consistent with other customs of the group and characterised by prescriptions for moderate drinking and proscriptions against immoderate drinking"
(Blacker, 1966)

furthermore,

"THere is little evidence that control of consumption measures are effective".


So it has to come from the entire group, players and presidents alike.....punitive measures as the major control of consumption likely to have limited effectiveness.

If you have a president taking players out drinking after a loss you have a real issue.

No token speeches, not going to do anything....players have to sit down as an entire group and make a resolution, driven by the leadership group....no player is exempt....is they stuff up, the entire group is punished.

Pretty sure we employ a psychologist at the club, might be time for the president and powers that be and the raging egos to defer to some expertise

To the Carlton football club, players and officials.

"You bunch of flowering idiots, the lot of you!"

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The more I hear the angry I get.

Here's my solution.

On Jan 4 when they get back. They should be put on a bus, taken to the airport. Put on a Herc, flown to Perth, trucked to a certain training area and put through the SAS selection course. No contact with the outside world for three weeks. Period. Let them see what is required to be a true professional. If they want to arc up, then they can go onto Escape and evasion training, and a little interrogation ( I'll volunteer for the 'slapping' around bit) training.

I am seriously flowered off with these ass-clowns.

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L.M 35-06

I have two questions.

Was Chris Judd on the boat?

If so, what was he doing when Casboult was tied up?

not sure I agree with your psych work psych.

Reckon you'll find the literature says that simple measures like suspension, while appealing and easy to apply, actyally has limited effect (if) there is an underlying culture.

How serious they take it will be reflected in how they approach their response.

They should call a media conference for today and sought it out now.

Wow cant wait for family day - what a waste that will be

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It's not just Judd, it's the whole leadership group, for a small start, then the entire playing list most importantly. Everybody is responsible, no free rides.

Unfortunately the AFL takes young men and placing them in a rather unnatural environment, where their every move is monitored and reported....if they muck up it is known about and tarnishes the CFC brand and the game, this needs to be acknowledged and worked with, then resolutions, rules, norms, expectations have to be set....as an entire group.....make it generated by the players too, and the punishments if/when the rules are broken. Probably a good idea to err on the side of being quite strict until the culture changes.

While the group as a whole continue to see excessive booze consumption as the true, definitive test of manhood, this crap will continue. Drinking games like that amongst professional athletes? Highly unprofessional, I would've thought - they are in the middle of pre-season training, are they not?

It appears our 'leadership group' is anything but (or they lead in the wrong direction altogether), and while this is the case, we're probably as good as stuffed on the field as off for a while to come.

Perhaps it's years of poor coaching, list management and recruiting finally coming home to roost? Our list is clearly lacking in good, strong character and solid citizens.

I, and it appears many others, need to see a very strong response to this, and very soon. Best case scenario, a press conference fronted by Judd and the rest of the 'leadership' group, offering an apology and outlining some steps taken to ensure the club isn't again placed in this position by a select group of weak-willed impostors in future.

Don't know but the West Coast 'culture' has appeared to have come to Carlton with him.

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This club has a major problem.

Every leader in the club shares responsibility for the situation the club finds itself in today. Including Judd.

If I hear 'xxxx is reportedly furious withthe players involved' one more time..... I WILL SPEW UP (thanks Tez)

Enough hand wringing, time for ACTION.

Despite earlier comments of mine in this thread, I think the action needs to be a bit more widepsread than isolating the culprits reported in the newspapers right now.

Perhaps the entire club, President (especially the President) to bootstudder should be attending an alcohol awareness course, along with a leadership course.

Because while alcohol may be the symptom, the cause is clearly a lack of leadership throughout the entire organisation (unless you call enforcing outdated drinking game rules leadership of course... boys will be boys and all that).

We're being given every chance by the league to become a powerhouse club again and we are literally pissing it away.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captiv ... 5813309312

"The 50-strong group that boarded the Lady Lindeman on Saturday for lunch and a cruise along the Yarra was believed to have included captain Chris Judd and most of Carlton's senior players."

Rumour on BF has Chris Yarran breaking up a scuffle between two players, which leads to this part of the article:

"We had to pull the pin on the cruise after several warnings ... because they were fighting among themselves"