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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:34 pm 
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What's actually wrong with Yarrans character? I think WH can be held responsible for many things but deaths and illness in a recruits family probably isn't on the list. I presume you have never spoken to the lad to know his character, so maybe you just need to change feet SB and give it a rest.

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After WH recruits a player he is responsible for everything that goes wrong in the player's life while he is on this earth :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:37 pm 
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What's actually wrong with Yarrans character? I think WH can be held responsible for many things but deaths and illness in a recruits family probably isn't on the list. I presume you have never spoken to the lad to know his character, so maybe you just need to change feet SB and give it a rest.

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After WH recruits a player he is responsible for everything that goes wrong in the player's life while he is on this earth :wink:


Some bag WH's selections but one you cannot criticise him about is that all of the players he picks have good character...why do people think WH is suddenly going to go away from this requirement?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:59 am 
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I agree.. why is wanting to go back and be with grieving family in time of crisis a trait of someone of bad character? :confused:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:01 pm 
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It's not....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:34 pm 
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I think one person in this thread has suggested that Chris has a "questionable character". I wouldn't have a clue... but I suspect he doesn't: just a young kid trying to find his feet in life. IMO unfair to slander him in a forum like this.

But I also don't understand what's wrong with questioning the desire of a kid to be at our club, when that kid has to go back home to WA three times in his first season. Black, white, whatever - it has to raise doubts about his ability to adapt to life at Carlton.

If Chris has a very large extended family, there will always be family issues back home to deal with. So the question is really about whether Chris decides to use family issues as an escape valve from the pressures of living in Melbourne and playing AFL. I'm sure no-one would be happy if he needed to miss several weeks every season to go back home - it happened to Leon Davis, who eventually grew out of it. I guess we'd be hoping that it doesn't take several years for the same thing to happen to Chris.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:48 pm 
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I think one person in this thread has suggested that Chris has a "questionable character". I wouldn't have a clue... but I suspect he doesn't: just a young kid trying to find his feet in life. IMO unfair to slander him in a forum like this.

But I also don't understand what's wrong with questioning the desire of a kid to be at our club, when that kid has to go back home to WA three times in his first season. Black, white, whatever - it has to raise doubts about his ability to adapt to life at Carlton.

If Chris has a very large extended family, there will always be family issues back home to deal with. So the question is really about whether Chris decides to use family issues as an escape valve from the pressures of living in Melbourne and playing AFL. I'm sure no-one would be happy if he needed to miss several weeks every season to go back home - it happened to Leon Davis, who eventually grew out of it. I guess we'd be hoping that it doesn't take several years for the same thing to happen to Chris.


..lookit, if any player is interstate, and is very close to their family and struggles without them.. ..then sooner or later the go-home factor kicks in.. [giddy up Juddy] ..especially if the player has genuine skill/talent, and will be picked up by a club in their home state.. ..it's a risk you take with every kid drafted from interstate.. ..at the end of the day, if yer able to get back to yer home state and play with yer best mate [50/50 odds], why stay interstate..?..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:50 pm 
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It also doesn't make sense to keep questioning and playing out scenarios as fact, John.

The kid has apparently had to attend two or three funerals. I think that's fair enough and if true, only bad timing would have created the 'issue' as it stands.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:56 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
It also doesn't make sense to keep questioning and play out scenarios as fact, John.

The kid has apparently had to attend two or three funerals. I think that's fair enough if true, and only bad timing would have created the 'issue' as it stands.


..i think it's more to do with the whole 'not wanting to leave W.A' pre-draft business really.. ..cos of that, he's gonna be microscoped a bit more.. .... ..but v.good news to hear he's back and playing with more passion.. ..definately seems to be finishing the year a lot stronger [drive/work wise] than he started.. ..not as 'jumpy' as i was a little earlier.. ..still hopin' he doesn't take too long to come on, cos i don't think anyone's doubting his talent/skill..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:33 pm 
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I think one person in this thread has suggested that Chris has a "questionable character". I wouldn't have a clue... but I suspect he doesn't: just a young kid trying to find his feet in life. IMO unfair to slander him in a forum like this.

But I also don't understand what's wrong with questioning the desire of a kid to be at our club, when that kid has to go back home to WA three times in his first season. Black, white, whatever - it has to raise doubts about his ability to adapt to life at Carlton.

If Chris has a very large extended family, there will always be family issues back home to deal with. So the question is really about whether Chris decides to use family issues as an escape valve from the pressures of living in Melbourne and playing AFL. I'm sure no-one would be happy if he needed to miss several weeks every season to go back home - it happened to Leon Davis, who eventually grew out of it. I guess we'd be hoping that it doesn't take several years for the same thing to happen to Chris.


:?

I guess it depends on the degree of tolerance for the indigenous culture one has or is willing to give.. ??

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:45 pm 
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We have the new whipping boy :roll: :banghead:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:01 pm 
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But I also don't understand what's wrong with questioning the desire of a kid to be at our club, when that kid has to go back home to WA three times in his first season. Black, white, whatever - it has to raise doubts about his ability to adapt to life at Carlton.

If Chris has a very large extended family, there will always be family issues back home to deal with. So the question is really about whether Chris decides to use family issues as an escape valve from the pressures of living in Melbourne and playing AFL. I'm sure no-one would be happy if he needed to miss several weeks every season to go back home - it happened to Leon Davis, who eventually grew out of it. I guess we'd be hoping that it doesn't take several years for the same thing to happen to Chris.


Very reasonable post John, and directly in line with my thoughts on the matter as well.
Looks like on field he has really improved in the past few weeks- lets hope this continues. But lets also hope people dont muddy the waters and play politics with the issue.
Yaz's commitment and desire to play for the CFC should be measured in line with every other footballer on our list. It looks like things are starting to turn for the better which would be the best outcome for all concerned.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:05 pm 
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There may be some valid concerns, I dont see the need for all the speculation though.

Lets see how it pans out and hope the kid adjusts. If he has real homesickness its not going to be cured overnight, it may take him a year or so, whats the harm in waiting that long to see?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:11 pm 
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I guess it depends on the degree of tolerance for the indigenous culture one has or is willing to give.. ??


precisely

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:19 pm 
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This thread can be summed up in one word............conjecture.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:25 pm 
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Sweet stuff FirearmFev

We have two options here:

1) Enjoy watching the evolution of a player who is seriously blessed with superb skills
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2) Create negative feelings towards a kid finding his feet, while regretting a missed opportunity

Do the right thing, people, get off his back and stop worrying.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:48 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
We have the new whipping boy :roll: :banghead:



Russell's form has improved so these people need to jump on someone else back.

I blame Russell. :wink:

Collingwood should of traded Leon Davis years ago he was hopeless.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:53 pm 
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samblueboy wrote:
Sweet stuff FirearmFev

We have two options here:

1) Enjoy watching the evolution of a player who is seriously blessed with superb skills
or
2) Create negative feelings towards a kid finding his feet, while regretting a missed opportunity

Do the right thing, people, get off his back and stop worrying.


I agree sit back and enjoy the ride.

Because once he's up and firing everybody is going to jump on the yazztrain!!!!!

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