According to some, not others.

You can choose what you want to believe.

I heard he was last seen having a picnic at Hanging Rock.

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Delulio is a member of TISM

Come on DUC, you're better than to believe that.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

I don't believe that he is actually missing, but I do believe that he won't be playing with us next year hence the sadness.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

gee the umpires are special aren't they

AFL is an absolute joke

im not blaming them for the loss

but the sport is just so shit to watch nowadays with whistle happy midget small men with egos bigger than their actual selves prancing around whistle happy making shit up as they go so they can get on television

they are not extinct , they are not nearing extinct so why are they so protected ?

special breed i guess

pathetic

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Exactly Aramari. One Betts is not enough.

Two Betts :drool:

MIRANDA!!!

SETANTA!!!

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Boys were woeful after quarter time. Either very flat or very lazy...who knows which ? Outcoached, out classed. Their smalls and talls slaughtered us. Some of our skills/decision making were just so poor. I thought we were learning not to be too Fev-centric, but today was just like the old days.

Armfield tried hard when put onto Boomer, but just not in his league at this stage. Then again, there's not many that can stop Boomer.

To see Saddington's lack of dash was very sad. He's just a liability, and I know he was played on a 200cm bloke for a lot of the day, but surely its over for Saddo ? Austin should have played, simple as that (assuming Bower is not ready).

And, yep, good old JR laid those 5 tackles and chased etc, but again failed to impose himself on the game, and again missed that regulation set shot from 40m directly in front. Is that 2.14 now ??. We may as well play him for the rest of the year now.

We need to keep a camera on Fev and send the tape to the Geesh. He was grabbed in a bear hug, over the shoulder, grabbed by the arm etc etc and no free, then it goes down the other end and they pay them ALL. The maggots should pay 'em as they see 'em ,but they have always given whingers bugger all (e.g. Carey), so Fev is his own worst enemy.

Not too many positives at all today, except that pick 6 maybe locked in.

Tough game for a half forward when we had so little quality ball coming through and Kangaroo defenders everywhere.

His set shot was from 50m not 40m though. He strained for distance and tugged it left. But watching him practise set shots before the game he just seems completely bereft of confidence. It was nice to see him kick that goal in the first though.

Hopefully he kicks a million set shots over the off season and comes back a new man.

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I'd love you to be right. He'll certainly be gone if he doesn't ?

I think everyone saw yesterday why we still need the 196cm backman.

mjonc posted this at 9.37am yesterday morning:



Very astute. Unfortunately it all went against us.

A couple of observations:

1. the first 10 minutes of the second quarter was where we lost the game. Fev's frustartion came later. They just smashed us through the midfield with commitment and numbers. In fact on a number of occaisions in teh second quarter, Fev and at least one other forward were left metres on their own as the Roos defenders pushed up into the midfield and run through us in numbers. Very disciplined. If the ball had been turned over, we could have capitalised, but of course it didn't. It was blink of the eye stuff - 6 points up to 20 odd down. we were never going to recover from that.

2.I had no problem with fev at all. I didn't think his questions were untoward or his manner offensive (as it has been at other times during the year). I know he gets a rough deal but he should have dragged Harvey down, and the 50 was just one of those things. He was switched on from the get go and did all he could to stay in the contest and the game. Interesting to note he just sidestepped the half time mellee (even though the bench got involved!)

3.Stevo was off, very badly, missing marks and kicks. it left us exposed moving forward.

4.For the first time in a long time, i though we dropped our heads. The fight went out of us, and we accepted defeat. I don't think that was fev, i think that was accross the team. maybe, we've been playing our must win games for too long.

Sad end to the dream, but the reality check was worth it.

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and I,
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference."

Robert Frost

My observations:

Hampson is no where near ready for ruck. Looked out of place. Jumped at the wrong time, slipped over, miss read the ball, tapped it to norths advantage. He needs a few years like David Hille did. No rush.

Norths Zone: We were out coached, we have no answer to the 18 man zone, and had no idea how to kick into it. We knew they were going to employ it yet looked completely confused. Bad Ratten.

Murphy: His kicking was terrible, how he was in the best players is a joke.

Fev: Excellent game.

Betts: Should have been playing

Russell: Another game, another chance, just does not do anything.

Stevens: Showed again, why he is not captain material.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

North went in harder for the ball...some of our players lost interest in the hard ball and tackling.
No secret we struggle when opposing teams play ruckman down forward....

Good teams like Geelong would have double teamed Hale and run off him, we let him compete one out with a defender who plays small ....I dont rate Saddington but he wasnt helepd by some poor coaching IMHO.

If you want to go one out then at least get the physical match up right and play a ruckman on a ruckman..ie Hampson, Cloke etc...

Random duds like Harding and Power were left on their own and hurt us with their run and no one paid any respect to Harris who carved us up at the clearances and in the packs.....Bentick would have been a better matchup.

Hopefully players like Armfield/Browne etc learned something playing on stars lile Harvey and will be better for it down the track.

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- Conor Gillen

Half forwards are symptomatic of how the team is playing. When the game is in the balance or the side is doing well the half forwards have opportunities to exert an influence. When a side is getting belted the half forwards will always go missing. It is impossible to be a consistent half forward in a middle of the road side which is what we are. Has nothing to do with JR's efforts. It could've been Steve Johnson or Stokes and they would've done nothing in the forward line yesterday.

This game was all about hardness at the stoppages and team structures. We are young and so is our coach. It was a good learning experience for both.

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Maybe so, but Steve Johnson 2.14 ??........nup.

Based on the season of course I'd rather take Steve Johnson and I'd reckon he'd have about 25-30 goals to his name if he'd been playing in our side all year. But put Johnson in our side yesterday and I doubt he'd have been able to do much about our flogging. Half forwards are the cream on the cake. The problem was with our cake.

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Don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight, don't blame it on the good times, blame it on the WIGGINS!

The problem was our cake ?????????

More like a badly constructed and undercooked BLANCMANGE if you ask me ??? Was a disappointing way for the flame to go out for the year.

Has anyone ever considered just what would happen if Fev got injured for 6 or 8 weeks or did a knee and out for a year ? Would we finish bottom 3 next year if he did ? Thats why we have to develop further forward options, for frigs sake it has stood out all year like DOGS BALLS !!
The 2 clear deficiencies in our side are no ruckman and not enough forward options, blind freddie can see that !!
Is Cloke a ruckman ?, NO, is he a CHF ?, NO, resembles an iceberg.
Tries his guts out every contest however.
Fisher also tries his guts out, but he also falls over more than your average drunken sailor, has the yips worse than Ian Baker Finch ever did and cant kick the distance that most 13 year olds can .

All the above aint nothing new nor rocket science.
If the average punter in the crowd (us) knows it, then why the "petunia" doesnt the MC do something about it ?
Perhaps they will come draft day.

This old codger surely hopes so !!

Now that ive said my bit, im off to pull some more greying hairs out !

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