It's tricky.

MM has said himself that the most important people at a club are the recruiters, so I take that to mean he doesn't believe he always knows whats best.

Besides, all this is based on a mate of a mate whisper. For all we know the whole management team is in furious agreement on everything.

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Anyone heard anything yet?
I've heard 9pp cut. Not sure whether that is only players or includes other staff too.

If 9, who do we think? Also, would this include players we are putting on the trade table or are they in addition to those delisted?

but maybe the others are dumb... and the one person is clever????

happens...

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yes.. maybe mckay is a vet and nothing more.....

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The thing I would like to see more than anything is a plan. If we just keep trying to build the best list for the next season then I reckon we're going to stay around 7-10th forever.

When is the premiership window that we are aiming for? If we don't know then we should because it's not just going to "happen". If, for example, that window is between 2015-2017 then all recruiting and trading should be directed towards a list that peaks in this period.

If my example is not a realistic period fine, but when is it? For goodness sake Carlton choose a timeframe and work towards it.

Add a fair bit to the football discussions, no doubt.

Mckay - ex premiership player, 200+ AFL Carlton great, Vetinary doctor, ex-AFL operations manager.....but people on TC know more about list management.......laugh my friggin head off.

If you want to lose your head in vain then that's none of our business, I suppose.

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I think the premiership window has just been demolished before it ever opened

You mean 20 by 2020 isn't enough for you?!

How's that tracking by the way?

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What does euthanizing a schnauzer have to do with list management? What does being a Premiership player have to do with list management? There was no previous skill set Andrew McKay had to being a list manager. In actual fact - he's not a list manager...and therein lies our argument. McKay was hired as General Manager of Football Operations. This is fast becoming an antiquated role in football.

So McKay's experience in List Management is 'learning on the job'. Has anyone else here been hired to do a job where the most critical element of their role they have no previous experience in and must 'wing it'? We've hemorrhaged cash by spending way to much on Judd and possibly Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer. And now we're stuck. Because there's no room to move to bring in more than one very talented player. $9.13 million. On Carlton's list. The list that finished 9th.

Slightly better than 2 by 2015.

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whats that got to do with whether he is a good footy manager????

lol

vet and ex player = footy manager...!!!

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I don't understand the 'premiership window' talk. Why is it thought that if we have a 2-3 year period of success that we will then have a dry spell to follow. I realise equalisation is a big part of the AFL, but lately teams like Geelong and Sydney and to a lesser extent Hawthorn have showed that with good management you can get yourself into a position to compete and then maintain it for several years. There's no guarantee of winning multiple flags in that time, but you're at least around the mark and putting yourself in a good position. I think there's room for a 26 year old like Thomas, a 30 year old like Staker and a 22 year old like Martin to all be recruited in the one offseason (obviously not feasible because of salary cap issues tho). Sure, Staker wouldn't be part of our push to a premiership in 2018, but he'd help us build a solid base now and get us to a situation where it is easier to maintain a strong list rather than rebuild one.

I use those 3 simply as examples, but i just think there is room to improve our squad through the recruitment of players at various stages of their careers and also use the draft, free agency and trades to achieve that.

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Assuming Malthouse, McKay and Kernahan will still be at the club at the end of this week, perhaps we could theorise more (interestingly) about who is likely to be cut today and traded in a few weeks time?
That way, we can build some sort of evidence base against which to judge their list management decisions rather than talk about what relevance someone's education or playing ability has on their ability to help build a team.
After all, there are any number of combinations of people at various teams with good/bad track records irrespective of background - its a pointless task.
On the other hand, if we toss about WHO we think should be there next year, we will be able to fairly measure our thoughts now against their actions today/next few weeks?

Those hanging crap on Mckay have no idea.

A very very smart football man he is. Before his role as footy manager with us, many clubs had acquired his services to sit in on formed committees or had some kind of consultancy role with them.

He is a good get by the club. The AFL wanted to hold onto him and it took him and the AFK some convincing to move over and take the role as footy manager.

I didn't think we had a list manager but a list committee?

I don't know if that's the best way to go or not, but I think other clubs have the same set up..

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I hope Essendon* folds.

You slay me.

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Is there any news about players looking for new clubs yet?

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I'm happy to move players on but not to replace them with flogs like Didak.
If he's recruited, the joint has seriously become a basket case.

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