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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:09 pm 
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Given losses to North and GC and the nature of those losses his position is untenable.
Whilst not a great performance this year overall I think he may have got the benefit of the doubt and survived if we beat GC North and GWS in the run home.
Sad as he seems a good guy and is honourable in his dealings.

Has definitely been let down by the players and probably by assistants

Very sad but we need to rip off the bandaid


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:19 pm 
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Walsh wrote:

Well if you think the midfield isn't pea hearted and good enough then that's your opinion.

They will never collectively be able to compete in clearances against top eight sides. I think the stats prove it and I don't think it's fair to depend on Cripps and Walsh

SPS, Dow, LOB, Fisher are not good enough.


The midfield weren't pea hearted against St Kilda were they? Yes we have a personnel issue in midfield but for you to ignore that part of the issue is a coaching problem, and more particularly, a development problem undermines any argument you might want to make.

I have serious questions over their development. Unfortunately, that comes back to the coach. It's up to the coach not enforcing standards and letting passengers take up privileged positions. If it's ok for a senior player to go half-in, then it's ok for a junior. Why play a guy like Murphy when he wasn't showing any form and there were kids banging the door down in the Magoos? Setterfield getting games when he was playing very poorly for weeks in a row.

Then we haven't even touched on the way our team defence was handled. We were rightly lambasted by commentators. Far too loose, not understanding the "stand" rule and the quicker ball movement meaning that a zone defence unless, absolutely well drilled that reacts within split seconds means we were getting belted on the rebound. Sure we butchered the ball at times, but the system being played cannot rely on perfection. Where is the insurance policy if the ball is turned over? There was none.

There are players with talent here. A coach is supposed to get the best out of them. I don't think David has. I'm sure he's a nice guy and he wants the best for the club. He was originally recruited as an assistant and fell into the head coach position mainly through player power, a coach who didn't crack the whip hard enough but very likeable.

We need someone tough but fair. Malthouse was seemingly tough but unfair. We need a coach who will give us a culture shift but who is tactically savvy and/or has assistants who can handle that part of it. How many of our assistants are talked about for being in the mix for roles elsewhere? If they are tactically savvy and have been shot down by a decision by the head coach, then there's another problem there.

Where am I going with this? The problem is multi-faceted. To simply blame the players as being pea hearted is reductionist and fails to consider the nuances and issues that plague this club at the moment.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:24 pm 
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Yes they were pea hearted in every game this year.

If we are getting smashed in clearances its not set up its personel.

You actually expect this inconsistent pea hearted group to compete against top eight sides?

The midfield dictates the required effort for the rest of the side and if you want to stop complaining about effort then we need players that provide it unconditionally.

Nothing to do with development - there are some five development coaches + five senior coaches. If they all say the same thing and playr isn't responding then ta ta.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:29 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Yes they were pea hearted in every game this year.

If we are getting smashed in clearances its not set up its personel.

You actually expect this inconsistent pea hearted group to compete against top eight sides?

The midfield dictates the required effort for the rest of the side and if you want to stop complaining about effort then we need players that provide it unconditionally.

Nothing to do with development - there are some five development coaches + five senior coaches. If they all say the same thing and playr isn't responding then ta ta.


Man you are going to get bruises on your fingertips soon. You're a posting machine.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:29 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Teague will not be coach next year, Take it to the bank!! i mean the cryto bank!

Thank you , very exclusive of you !!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:45 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Yes they were pea hearted in every game this year.

If we are getting smashed in clearances its not set up its personel.

You actually expect this inconsistent pea hearted group to compete against top eight sides?

The midfield dictates the required effort for the rest of the side and if you want to stop complaining about effort then we need players that provide it unconditionally.

Nothing to do with development - there are some five development coaches + five senior coaches. If they all say the same thing and playr isn't responding then ta ta.

You ok mate , with the Teague train coming to the end ! Will you still be Carlton supporter or were you only a Teague supporter ??

I know today would be a hard for you with everyone reporting it !!

Oops !!

Scoop on 3aw , unscheduled board meeting on Thursday

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:19 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Club will announce this week that DT won’t see out his contract next year.


Speculation but also very possible.

Shame if that happens and all the more urgency Carltonians mounting a challenge to the boards ineptness.

Four sacked coaches in 10 years = a sacked board.


DT is not going to get sacked - he is highly regarded by the club and board.

Teague more unlikely than likely to get the boot.

Please refer to the three statements made by you over the last 24 hours...won't get sacked, unlikely he gets sacked, possibly gets sacked

Admit that all the name=calling directed at you is justified and throw yourself at the mercy of the TC posters...we're a forgiving bunch

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:25 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Walsh wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Club will announce this week that DT won’t see out his contract next year.


Speculation but also very possible.

Shame if that happens and all the more urgency Carltonians mounting a challenge to the boards ineptness.

Four sacked coaches in 10 years = a sacked board.


DT is not going to get sacked - he is highly regarded by the club and board.

Please refer to the two statements made by you over the last 24 hours

Admit that all the name=calling directed at you is justified and throw yourself at the mercy of the TC posters...we're a forgiving bunch

Very forgiving and there is no way 95 percent of people on tc will tell you , I told you so Walsh !

We ain’t like that !!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:30 pm 
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I wanna see Walsh try and take on Barrass…any chance of a cross forum showdown? :grin:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:40 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
I wanna see Walsh try and take on Barrass…any chance of a cross forum showdown? :grin:

It’ll be all over before the popcorn was ready … lol

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:43 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
I wanna see Walsh try and take on Barrass…any chance of a cross forum showdown? :grin:

Walsh will get the Carltonians to try and take barass out

I fear for barass

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:46 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Given losses to North and GC and the nature of those losses his position is untenable.
Whilst not a great performance this year overall I think he may have got the benefit of the doubt and survived if we beat GC North and GWS in the run home.
Sad as he seems a good guy and is honourable in his dealings.

Has definitely been let down by the players and probably by assistants

Very sad but we need to rip off the bandaid


Sadly you are right. Can't coach a bad culture. Ratten, especially, and Teague did it quite a bit better than every other coach here this century but eventually it gets you.

An insipid effort by the players against the Gold Coast in 2012 stamped Ratten's players, something we regretted for a long time, not, ironically an insipid effort against the same side has done the the same to Teague. If we put in against North and Gold Coast we'd very possibly would have played finals and Teague would have retained his job. Like with Ratten, the players handed Teague's head to the Board on a platter.

Culture change has to be player driven, real peer pressure. if not, the next coach has no hope. Will get a sugar hit, which will mean finals likely, as in 2013 and as happened at St. Kilda last year, a side with a similar culture, but by the 3rd year we'll be back to the same insipid efforts and unless the players themselves change the way they go about it. Means leadership and leaders demanding accountability from their teammates.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:53 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
I wanna see Walsh try and take on Barrass…any chance of a cross forum showdown? :grin:

It’ll be all over before the popcorn was ready … lol


Walsh is to the Trabant as Barass70 is to a Porsche

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:58 pm 
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jim wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Given losses to North and GC and the nature of those losses his position is untenable.
Whilst not a great performance this year overall I think he may have got the benefit of the doubt and survived if we beat GC North and GWS in the run home.
Sad as he seems a good guy and is honourable in his dealings.

Has definitely been let down by the players and probably by assistants

Very sad but we need to rip off the bandaid


Sadly you are right. Can't coach a bad culture. Ratten, especially, and Teague did it quite a bit better than every other coach here this century but eventually it gets you.

An insipid effort by the players against the Gold Coast in 2012 stamped Ratten's players, something we regretted for a long time, not, ironically an insipid effort against the same side has done the the same to Teague. If we put in against North and Gold Coast we'd very possibly would have played finals and Teague would have retained his job. Like with Ratten, the players handed Teague's head to the Board on a platter.

Culture change has to be player driven, real peer pressure. if not, the next coach has no hope. Will get a sugar hit, which will mean finals likely, as in 2013 and as happened at St. Kilda last year, a side with a similar culture, but by the 3rd year we'll be back to the same insipid efforts and unless the players themselves change the way they go about it. Means leadership and leaders demanding accountability from their teammates.


Brilliantly said , and the Board failed ratts (sticks and swan ) and the Board failed Teague

The only way to change culture now Murphy is done this year

Changes to change culture 2022

Docherty should be retired , he only has a year left in Him
Cripps captaincy taken off him and if he sulks about it , trade him end of next year ( we don’t need another Murphy situation for the next 6 years )
Plowman traded or kept as a depth player
Selection integrity and accountability no matter who the player is and no matter who we are playing

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:37 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Given losses to North and GC and the nature of those losses his position is untenable.
Whilst not a great performance this year overall I think he may have got the benefit of the doubt and survived if we beat GC North and GWS in the run home.
Sad as he seems a good guy and is honourable in his dealings.

Has definitely been let down by the players and probably by assistants

Very sad but we need to rip off the bandaid


Sadly you are right. Can't coach a bad culture. Ratten, especially, and Teague did it quite a bit better than every other coach here this century but eventually it gets you.

An insipid effort by the players against the Gold Coast in 2012 stamped Ratten's players, something we regretted for a long time, not, ironically an insipid effort against the same side has done the the same to Teague. If we put in against North and Gold Coast we'd very possibly would have played finals and Teague would have retained his job. Like with Ratten, the players handed Teague's head to the Board on a platter.

Culture change has to be player driven, real peer pressure. if not, the next coach has no hope. Will get a sugar hit, which will mean finals likely, as in 2013 and as happened at St. Kilda last year, a side with a similar culture, but by the 3rd year we'll be back to the same insipid efforts and unless the players themselves change the way they go about it. Means leadership and leaders demanding accountability from their teammates.


Brilliantly said , and the Board failed ratts (sticks and swan ) and the Board failed Teague

The only way to change culture now Murphy is done this year

Changes to change culture 2022

Docherty should be retired , he only has a year left in Him
Cripps captaincy taken off him and if he sulks about it , trade him end of next year ( we don’t need another Murphy situation for the next 6 years )
Plowman traded or kept as a depth player
Selection integrity and accountability no matter who the player is and no matter who we are playing


Docherty will be lucky to be playing sadly given we just found his cancer returned and he's having chemo. Tough at just 27.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:52 pm 
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jim wrote:
azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Given losses to North and GC and the nature of those losses his position is untenable.
Whilst not a great performance this year overall I think he may have got the benefit of the doubt and survived if we beat GC North and GWS in the run home.
Sad as he seems a good guy and is honourable in his dealings.

Has definitely been let down by the players and probably by assistants

Very sad but we need to rip off the bandaid


Sadly you are right. Can't coach a bad culture. Ratten, especially, and Teague did it quite a bit better than every other coach here this century but eventually it gets you.

An insipid effort by the players against the Gold Coast in 2012 stamped Ratten's players, something we regretted for a long time, not, ironically an insipid effort against the same side has done the the same to Teague. If we put in against North and Gold Coast we'd very possibly would have played finals and Teague would have retained his job. Like with Ratten, the players handed Teague's head to the Board on a platter.

Culture change has to be player driven, real peer pressure. if not, the next coach has no hope. Will get a sugar hit, which will mean finals likely, as in 2013 and as happened at St. Kilda last year, a side with a similar culture, but by the 3rd year we'll be back to the same insipid efforts and unless the players themselves change the way they go about it. Means leadership and leaders demanding accountability from their teammates.


Brilliantly said , and the Board failed ratts (sticks and swan ) and the Board failed Teague

The only way to change culture now Murphy is done this year

Changes to change culture 2022

Docherty should be retired , he only has a year left in Him
Cripps captaincy taken off him and if he sulks about it , trade him end of next year ( we don’t need another Murphy situation for the next 6 years )
Plowman traded or kept as a depth player
Selection integrity and accountability no matter who the player is and no matter who we are playing


Docherty will be lucky to be playing sadly given we just found his cancer returned and he's having chemo. Tough at just 27.

Very sad , great player cut down in his prime , hopefully a quick and safe recovery

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:34 pm 
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Captaincy re-jig on the cards too?

Go Blues

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:23 am 
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So my main concern is that this so called review is just an executive spin for "keeping up appearances - we are focussed on our members and supporters" rubbish we have heard a million times b4. Is Teague the right man going forward? Of course there are a multitude of questions on him and so there should be. But are there not similar questions about the supposed replacements in Lyon and Clarko? This whole review seems like a charade to me. It seems more likely its to divert attention away from a generally incompetent board etc. Generally we just assume its all above board and it will implement the recommendations in the review....

Im not convinced that is the case. There has been no mention of Russell? I say why not? He is supposedly a superstar fitness and health coach?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:23 am 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
So my main concern is that this so called review is just an executive spin for "keeping up appearances - we are focussed on our members and supporters" rubbish we have heard a million times b4. Is Teague the right man going forward? Of course there are a multitude of questions on him and so there should be. But are there not similar questions about the supposed replacements in Lyon and Clarko? This whole review seems like a charade to me. It seems more likely its to divert attention away from a generally incompetent board etc. Generally we just assume its all above board and it will implement the recommendations in the review....

Im not convinced that is the case. There has been no mention of Russell? I say why not? He is supposedly a superstar fitness and health coach?

You know this is the Carlton football club and they don’t know how to do anything properly or professionally !!

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https://youtu.be/r6omeJUKPUM


Have a listen to this. Everyone make their own minds up. Love or hate the bloke ..one thing he brings up more than once is the importance of a great culture. Hmmm…that’s right we don’t have that key ingredient. A fascinating listen and boy our club could learn so much. All the wisdom, wealth of knowledge, experience, man management and on and on you can’t buy. Our club at this point in time lacks what he brings to the table in this interview with Dylan Buckley. I am looking at the big picture here. Just maybe he has something to offer. At this point in time we are on our knees. We need a man who has gone to the mountain before. 4 times! But I am sure there will and always will be people who will continue to take pot shots at him. If there is a better replacement on offer so be it.


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