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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:12 pm 
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The culture has been shocking in this club for 20 years. 6 coaches haven't changed that. The motivation, drive, hunger, effort etc, nothing has changed with different coaching appointments. How do you not see that? What does that tell you? You can't coach a side with a bad culture. Whatever you try to do the players don't put in the effort to execute it properly. Given we were still in contention and very competitive all year on the scoreboard, if we put in a true effort in all year of course we would play finals. Like i said, how do you not see that. What do you think another coaching change is going to do that the previous 5 or 6 haven't? Have to get to the root of the problem and it isn't coaching. Teague's record is the 2nd best this century by a margin. He took over a side that had won 4 from the previous 43, with some of the most embarrassing losses this club has ever had, including one where a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a qtr with 16 men for alot if it.


You're kidding jim

Focus on this year, and you'll get your answers.

Stop trying to make a connection between 2000 and 2021. Its the now we are interested in, not conspiracy theories. You're making excuses. Put the spotlight on our current coach...every other coach has lived with covid and bubbles.

And comparing Teague to the previous unsuccessful Carlton coaches ....why not compare him to other coaches who have won flags, to see the difference between his game plan and there's, even better, make it easier, coaches who haven't won a flag: Rutten, or Fagan, or Leon Cameron, or Goodwin, and look at what their teams are doing THIS year.

Best comparison is Rutten. Took over a team hovering around us, and he's only been in the game 2 years....see the difference?

Teague let the players get ahead of themselves last week. His disclosures after the match were truthful and focussed on the 2021 problem. He doesn't dwell on the past. He's allowed the 2021 players to run the show.

I love you man, but Stop the excuses


Changing the coach won’t suddenly make us a top 4 side. The club has bigger issues. No doubt the last 20 years is still impacting the club. It has a poor and losing culture that stems from that period. The recent decisions in recruiting Betts and prolonging Murphy’s career, is a clear indication we have lost our way.

Saying that, Teague is out of his depth and should be replaced.


Top 4 !!!!! Who said that?
Now we are dreaming.

One day we will, but Finals should have been possible, even this year with all the injuries. We have shown no improvement since Teague came along other than not losing by huge margins. On the other had, Teague has given us "Teague's gift", which is more than a coach killer, its a game loser. Nothing to do with our past. We have rebuilt the list. We have quality on each line.

I believe a better coach, an uncompromising one with high standards the players would understand, and an understanding of the opposition's plans, would do better than the current coach Teague.

Losing mentality is accepted by the coach of the day. Hence today's problem. Get a smart disciplined coach who loves his players but isn't their best mate to coach and that will change the culture.

Agree about Murphy, not Betts. Betts has been our best forward after Harry this year, and still our best small forward, and he didn't cost us anything, and still doesn't.

Nah, the problem is now, and right in front of us, for all to see.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:27 pm 
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Walsh, at the risk of an exercise of futility, why don’t you outline from a coaching point of view how Teague has succeeded?

You want to blame the purportedly pea hearted midfield? Why hasn’t Teague done something about that in terms of selection criteria/non favouritism?

Our defenders get caught time and again because the zone defence we employ is picked apart. It seems you want to excoriate the players solely and Teague unable to do anything wrong.

You seem to ignore the criticism relating to Teague’s inability to formulate proper systems and have yet to come up with a satisfactory rebuttal.

Going ad hominem doesn’t really help.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:36 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
Walsh, at the risk of an exercise of futility, why don’t you outline from a coaching point of view how Teague has succeeded?

You want to blame the purportedly pea hearted midfield? Why hasn’t Teague done something about that in terms of selection criteria/non favouritism?

Our defenders get caught time and again because the zone defence we employ is picked apart. It seems you want to excoriate the players solely and Teague unable to do anything wrong.

You seem to ignore the criticism relating to Teague’s inability to formulate proper systems and have yet to come up with a satisfactory rebuttal.

Going ad hominem doesn’t really help.


I think Carlton Clem has explained himself well. Right on the money.

Throw the players under the bus, and have Teague smelling like roses.

Nah, the majority of the blame falls on Teague. He's the conductor.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:56 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
WOW wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:

The culture has been shocking in this club for 20 years. 6 coaches haven't changed that. The motivation, drive, hunger, effort etc, nothing has changed with different coaching appointments. How do you not see that? What does that tell you? You can't coach a side with a bad culture. Whatever you try to do the players don't put in the effort to execute it properly. Given we were still in contention and very competitive all year on the scoreboard, if we put in a true effort in all year of course we would play finals. Like i said, how do you not see that. What do you think another coaching change is going to do that the previous 5 or 6 haven't? Have to get to the root of the problem and it isn't coaching. Teague's record is the 2nd best this century by a margin. He took over a side that had won 4 from the previous 43, with some of the most embarrassing losses this club has ever had, including one where a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a qtr with 16 men for alot if it.


You're kidding jim

Focus on this year, and you'll get your answers.

Stop trying to make a connection between 2000 and 2021. Its the now we are interested in, not conspiracy theories. You're making excuses. Put the spotlight on our current coach...every other coach has lived with covid and bubbles.

And comparing Teague to the previous unsuccessful Carlton coaches ....why not compare him to other coaches who have won flags, to see the difference between his game plan and there's, even better, make it easier, coaches who haven't won a flag: Rutten, or Fagan, or Leon Cameron, or Goodwin, and look at what their teams are doing THIS year.

Best comparison is Rutten. Took over a team hovering around us, and he's only been in the game 2 years....see the difference?

Teague let the players get ahead of themselves last week. His disclosures after the match were truthful and focussed on the 2021 problem. He doesn't dwell on the past. He's allowed the 2021 players to run the show.

I love you man, but Stop the excuses


Changing the coach won’t suddenly make us a top 4 side. The club has bigger issues. No doubt the last 20 years is still impacting the club. It has a poor and losing culture that stems from that period. The recent decisions in recruiting Betts and prolonging Murphy’s career, is a clear indication we have lost our way.

Saying that, Teague is out of his depth and should be replaced.


Top 4 !!!!! Who said that?
Now we are dreaming.

One day we will, but Finals should have been possible, even this year with all the injuries. We have shown no improvement since Teague came along other than not losing by huge margins. On the other had, Teague has given us "Teague's gift", which is more than a coach killer, its a game loser. Nothing to do with our past. We have rebuilt the list. We have quality on each line.

I believe a better coach, an uncompromising one with high standards the players would understand, and an understanding of the opposition's plans, would do better than the current coach Teague.

Losing mentality is accepted by the coach of the day. Hence today's problem. Get a smart disciplined coach who loves his players but isn't their best mate to coach and that will change the culture.

Agree about Murphy, not Betts. Betts has been our best forward after Harry this year, and still our best small forward, and he didn't cost us anything, and still doesn't.

Nah, the problem is now, and right in front of us, for all to see.


Betts did cost us something. Further development of a younger player eg Honey. Betts was cooked 3 years ago.

Of course the problem is now. Like it was yesterday, day before that, last 10 years etc. No doubt our inability to win games of football has had a huge impact on the club and it’s culture.

Also, not disagreeing with your assessment of Teague. My point is the club has bigger issues than Teague.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:58 pm 
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As Heath buck said , this situation has become toxic !! And something had to give

We all know they aren’t extending Teague out , we know they aren’t going to coach out his last year and we aren’t making the 8 after several attempts this year to try and launch into the 8 , only for us to fail miserably thru out the year with the final nail on Saturday...

So like old band aid stuck on your body , the club need to have the balls to rip everything off and start with Teague being sacked /resign rhyce shaw like and rest of the changes at this club ..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:03 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
As Heath buck said , this situation has become toxic !! And something had to give

We all know they aren’t extending Teague out , we know they aren’t going to coach out his last year and we aren’t making the 8 after several attempts this year to try and launch into the 8 , only for us to fail miserably thru out the year with the final nail on Saturday...

So like old band aid stuck on your body , the club need to have the balls to rip everything off and start with Teague being sacked /resign rhyce shaw like and rest of the changes at this club ..

If we want to start building our culture and outside perspective, then he should resign for the betterment of the club.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:05 pm 
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And on top of all this Neil Mitchell is reporting that Teague is gone and the fact the Tom (I know nothing and I’m lucky I have powerful media dad ) Browne is denying it !

Spells even more trouble for Teague

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:10 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
Walsh, at the risk of an exercise of futility, why don’t you outline from a coaching point of view how Teague has succeeded?

You want to blame the purportedly pea hearted midfield? Why hasn’t Teague done something about that in terms of selection criteria/non favouritism?

Our defenders get caught time and again because the zone defence we employ is picked apart. It seems you want to excoriate the players solely and Teague unable to do anything wrong.

You seem to ignore the criticism relating to Teague’s inability to formulate proper systems and have yet to come up with a satisfactory rebuttal.

Going ad hominem doesn’t really help.


I've morphed into Daryl Kerrigan after reading that....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:20 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
Walsh, at the risk of an exercise of futility, why don’t you outline from a coaching point of view how Teague has succeeded?

You want to blame the purportedly pea hearted midfield? Why hasn’t Teague done something about that in terms of selection criteria/non favouritism?

Our defenders get caught time and again because the zone defence we employ is picked apart. It seems you want to excoriate the players solely and Teague unable to do anything wrong.

You seem to ignore the criticism relating to Teague’s inability to formulate proper systems and have yet to come up with a satisfactory rebuttal.

Going ad hominem doesn’t really help.


Well if you think the midfield isn't pea hearted and good enough then that's your opinion.

They will never collectively be able to compete in clearances against top eight sides. I think the stats prove it and I don't think it's fair to depend on Cripps and Walsh

SPS, Dow, LOB, Fisher are not good enough.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:29 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:56 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
And on top of all this Neil Mitchell is reporting that Teague is gone and the fact the Tom (I know nothing and I’m lucky I have powerful media dad ) Browne is denying it !

Spells even more trouble for Teague


A-ha! I never realised who his dad is! I'm so naive!
The proof for me is that all the remaining ex-players and commentators in the media who would normally be supporting Teague have turned over the past week, obviously indicating they know.

He was on shaky ground in any event but his last - albeit very small- hope was to at least string together wins against the weaker opponents we've faced in the past few weeks but losing to the Kangaroos and now Gold Coast have put paid to that final slim chance.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:30 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
azzablue wrote:
And on top of all this Neil Mitchell is reporting that Teague is gone and the fact the Tom (I know nothing and I’m lucky I have powerful media dad ) Browne is denying it !

Spells even more trouble for Teague


A-ha! I never realised who his dad is! I'm so naive!
The proof for me is that all the remaining ex-players and commentators in the media who would normally be supporting Teague have turned over the past week, obviously indicating they know.

He was on shaky ground in any event but his last - albeit very small- hope was to at least string together wins against the weaker opponents we've faced in the past few weeks but losing to the Kangaroos and now Gold Coast have put paid to that final slim chance.

My brother just texted me with some guy on BigFooty.com barass70 , who he reckons is a real good source , just posted Clarko is very interested...

I think we need to start to get around Walsh , his head is going to explode when Teague goes ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:36 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
And on top of all this Neil Mitchell is reporting that Teague is gone and the fact the Tom (I know nothing and I’m lucky I have powerful media dad ) Browne is denying it !

Spells even more trouble for Teague

Just read that online.
Apparently Carlton have denied the story.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:45 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
I think we need to start to get around Walsh , his head is going to explode when Teague goes ...


Probably smarter to keep clear I would have thought. Who wants to be covered in mush?

But yes, barass’s mail is usually on the money.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:54 pm 
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barass70 on BF wrote:
Clarkson is very much interested.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:02 pm 
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GWS wrote:
azzablue wrote:
I think we need to start to get around Walsh , his head is going to explode when Teague goes ...


Probably smarter to keep clear I would have thought. Who wants to be covered in mush?

But yes, barass’s mail is usually on the money.

Walsh has gone quiet !!


Surely something is going to give this week and it would be stupid by the club to let Teague speak to the media and say the things he has been saying ,

The club failed teague when they appointed him and they are all to blame for this miserable 2 years , sayers was a part of that process !!

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Someone in the media ... can't remember who ... said that Teague had a better win/loss record that Clarkson and Hardwick had in their first 3 years.

I thought Clarkson would take a year off but sounds like the knives are out and Teague will soon be replaced.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:23 pm 
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Teague will not be coach next year, Take it to the bank!! i mean the cryto bank!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:07 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
Teague will not be coach next year, Take it to the bank!! i mean the cryto bank!

Thank you , very exclusive of you !!

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