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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 11:06 am 
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Stephen Silvagni

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SurreyBlue wrote:
The last president won premierships because he demanded success at Carlton.
The issue was the members fell for the bulldust spread by so called Carlton people who drowned us to where we are today, especially as they were the ones behind a lot of our cap manipulation. Walked away a hero!!!! :mad:

I'm still waiting for the new age people and system to get us success, some little success would do!!!
That tells me more who was right and who is wrong.


Elliot was prepared to fight the AFL Commission, instead of rolling over to die.

It was wasn't a case of the President who fought with the AFL, it was a case of the AFL insider, Collins, who sold us out to who he thought were his mates.

Classic case of divide and conquer. Collins says he nearly cried when he was shafted...till he looked at his bank account.

Sometimes you have to stand up for what's right. I cant see anything over the last 20 years to suggest a pat on the back let alone any reward from the AFL Commission for playing along with the unprecedented penalties Carlton copped for being open and honest.

Here' s just a couple of hundreds of AFL decisions to go against us in last 2 decades:

Priority picks rules changed when we had opportunity to get 2 first rounders (after Pies got Thomas and Pendlebury after tanking)...
Tribunal decisions see Plowman and Prendergast decisions to make an example (but never applied rulings again). Carlton guinea pigs.....
Holding the ball rule changed our midfield strengths with cripps and Walsh.....
Ruck rules changed when TDK leaves carlton and we havent had time to move on from the Traditional Plodding big ruckman....
Draft rules changes after Brizzy, GCS and Pies got their players with late picks... we paid 2 firsts for Dean, now want to make it harder and taxing to get walker.....

Just stating the facts. It just doesnt stop. We have to show some strength and put fear back onto the AFL Commissioners. They prefer no conflict. Well, there is conflict with their decision making: where's the fair runway?

Nah, I'm sick of the AFL and I'm sick of seeing a meek carlton kicked whenever the AFL sees an opportunity. Bring on the Lawyers. AFL haven't got a leg to stand on.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 11:27 am 
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Wayne Johnston

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carntheblues wrote:
Unfortunately enough of us old arrogant supporters still believe that the arrogant old approach will still work!
Its what got us into this mess now!

That’s bulldust.

The club swinging hard away from those ways is what’s landed us in the shit. We went chasing friendship bracelets instead of scalps & trophies.

Our leader is LITERALLY in bed with the opposition. He sleeps on their turf.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 11:32 am 
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Wayne Johnston
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The last president won premierships because he demanded success at Carlton.
The issue was the members fell for the bulldust spread by so called Carlton people who drowned us to where we are today, especially as they were the ones behind a lot of our cap manipulation. Walked away a hero!!!! :mad:

I'm still waiting for the new age people and system to get us success, some little success would do!!!
That tells me more who was right and who is wrong.


Elliot was prepared to fight the AFL Commission, instead of rolling over to die.

It was wasn't a case of the President who fought with the AFL, it was a case of the AFL insider, Collins, who sold us out to who he thought were his mates.

Classic case of divide and conquer. Collins says he nearly cried when he was shafted...till he looked at his bank account.

Sometimes you have to stand up for what's right. I cant see anything over the last 20 years to suggest a pat on the back let alone any reward from the AFL Commission for playing along with the unprecedented penalties Carlton copped for being open and honest.

Here' s just a couple of hundreds of AFL decisions to go against us in last 2 decades:

Priority picks rules changed when we had opportunity to get 2 first rounders (after Pies got Thomas and Pendlebury after tanking)...
Tribunal decisions see Plowman and Prendergast decisions to make an example (but never applied rulings again). Carlton guinea pigs.....
Holding the ball rule changed our midfield strengths with cripps and Walsh.....
Ruck rules changed when TDK leaves carlton and we havent had time to move on from the Traditional Plodding big ruckman....
Draft rules changes after Brizzy, GCS and Pies got their players with late picks... we paid 2 firsts for Dean, now want to make it harder and taxing to get walker.....

Just stating the facts. It just doesnt stop. We have to show some strength and put fear back onto the AFL Commissioners. They prefer no conflict. Well, there is conflict with their decision making: where's the fair runway?

Nah, I'm sick of the AFL and I'm sick of seeing a meek carlton kicked whenever the AFL sees an opportunity. Bring on the Lawyers. AFL haven't got a leg to stand on.


Very good Bondi .................. and don't forget Swann's genius move with the ball up instead of the time honoured bounce of the ball that stood the test of time for over a hundred years . If you can't jump you are frucked and don't you dare put a toenail over that line . The goose has eliminated ruck craft . Not to mention the last touch rule that has eliminated at least 30 boundary throw ins which was Cripps bread and butter .................. and Swanns classic comment , the umpiring has never been better . The Clubs are happy . Has one man created so much damage in the shortest space of time than the disaster that is Gregg Swann ?

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 11:37 am 
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Harry Vallence

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I think it's time we used the AFL made up mid season rules to shove it up them.
We play Richmond, Essendon* and West Coast again. Our absolute main objective
now is to tank and ensure we end up with pick one.
Once that is achieved, M Voss gets a handshake and a thankyou and a new coach is appointed.
The new coach is given the brief we are gutting the team for any player with trade currency.
With pick one already secured, we trade out our F1 for another first rounder this year (we could even do this live on draft
night after we have secured Walker).

We take what we can for the players with currency and absolutely smash this year's draft.
On draft night we bid on Cochrane with pick one. That gets us a compo pick in addition to the
suite of picks we have hopefully accumulated.
We could end up using our pick one (after Cochrane bid is matched) on the next best kid
in the draft. That ensures that as a minimum Walker is a pick three. We desperately need two picks
in the top 3 or 4 plus 4 picks inside top 20.
It's achievable, but we must absolutely stick it up the AFL by ensuring we finish bottom for it to work.


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