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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:05 pm 
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Pitto , TDK , Harry have been in the same side seven times for five wins . Not bad .

Facts aren’t welcome here Mick. :lol:

No one wants to count the four seats on the bench either.


Well Cruz , facts may not be welcome around here , but facts are facts and thats a fact .

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:06 pm 
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Pitto , TDK , Harry have been in the same side seven times for five wins . Not bad .


Can we ask who the opponents were?

Certainly wasn't a feature of the 9 game winning streak

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The weather forecast changes everything guys. If it's cold and wet then you don't want too many talls. Bringing in Pitto would be a big mistake if it's a territory slugfest. If JSOS is not ready then Cripps is the second ruckman for mine. The ball will be thrown up all night. This is the type of game when you want the runners and tacklers like Cunners and Fogarty.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:30 am 
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The weather forecast changes everything guys. If it's cold and wet then you don't want too many talls. Bringing in Pitto would be a big mistake if it's a territory slugfest. If JSOS is not ready then Cripps is the second ruckman for mine. The ball will be thrown up all night. This is the type of game when you want the runners and tacklers like Cunners and Fogarty.

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The ball will be thrown up alright . Even more reason to have two ruck men .

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:33 am 
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They can't scrag Cripps if he's nominated ruck

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:13 am 
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They can't scrag Cripps if he's nominated ruck


No, but the opposition rucks can sure test out those bruised ribs, again and again and again…..


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:48 am 
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I'm not sure that Hollands' light frame would be suited to the wet conditions at this stage of his career. On the other hand I think Fogarty would be well suited to a scrappy contest. Harry will probably struggle however I suspect he will be selected regardless.
Normally I don't like the idea of all 3 of Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy playing however Fri night might be an exception to the rule.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 10:32 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.


Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.


And yet Charlie takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does. :?
He also leads the AFL for goals, is top 5 for contested marks, marks inside 50, score involvements, offensive 1 on 1 wins etc.
Adaptable, versatile.That's his value.
No one disputes Harry's potential but we have too many 1 dimensional talls. He's one of them. That's why Jack get's a game. He's not as tall or skilful as the rucks but he can adequately perform other roles. If Harry could also do it, he'd offer enormous value to us.


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I've been reading the posts in amazement whilst up in FNQ, and I like the debate, but am I reading this last post right? Harry out SOS in?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:01 am 
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I'm not sure that Hollands' light frame would be suited to the wet conditions at this stage of his career. On the other hand I think Fogarty would be well suited to a scrappy contest. Harry will probably struggle however I suspect he will be selected regardless.
Normally I don't like the idea of all 3 of Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy playing however Fri night might be an exception to the rule.



Or, if you choose to look at it differently, you could say, Hollands big heart and ability to run all day to provide an extra at contests is most suited for this game.

I'm not disagreeing, nor agreeing. I do believe for every argument for any of the so called "peripheral" players there is a just as strong an argument against.

We all all guessing, and have our reasons, and our bias.

One thing I agree with is whatever Voss decides on given the conditions for Friday night is what I support.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:02 am 
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I've just come back from Palm Cove, FNQ, where every day was 29, and BT and the Rowbottom's were trying to make me nervous suggesting Sydney would be favoured in the forecasted 8 degrees, rain and hail reported on SEN in the background. Like I said it would probably suit them more to bring the game back to a slog, but our midfield bulls are bigger, stronger and more of them, so be carful what you wish for.

I was pleased to hear today from a mate I went to Uni with who heads BoM and he thinks the rain will die out on Friday as will the wind, and given the MCG dries up pretty quick, its not going to be the forecast SEN suggested, which was more like Thursday's forecast.

We are going to smash them. Players will get another game and a Finals match under their belts. I expect Walsh, Cerra, Harry will be ready for this Friday thanks to Andrew Russell.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy is selected ahead of Fogarty if the ground looks to be drier than suggested by some.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:02 am 
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The general consensus amongst most footy experts seems to be to go with more running type players or "smalls" in the wet as the ball is on the ground more and marking conditions are difficult.
However, I think something needs to be said about the importance of having bigger bodies around the contest too. Of course you do firstly need to get the balance right and secondly those bigger bodies need to be willing to use those bigger bodies when the ball is in dispute. I'm for bringing Pitto back but he can't just be a spectator when the ball hits the deck. He needs to through his weight around and put the "hurt" on the swans mids and block and create a passage for our mids.
I was in 2 minds re Kennedy but if weather prediction holds, tend to side with KK and think bringing him in would add a lot of value.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:04 am 
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I have no doubt Harry will be picked by Voss every day of the week, regardless of the bias views against Harry just because he can't ruck and working his way into match fitness. He might play ruck, and if he does, he will have a height advantage over Hickey and McLean. But I expect Pitto to be the battering ram. Its typical Vossy.

Harry and Charlie do have chemistry, and do work on their combo at training and in games for 2 years. They do not play the same role, and they make the call together when to stand close together in the goal square, depending on opposition and where the ball is, when to run out to spread the KPB's and when to provide a link beyond 50. Have faith. They are our FF and CHF for the next 5 years, they have not stopped building "chemistry", and I respect that posters make a case against Harry, but that's only one side of the argument; the weak side imo.

Finals and Harry and Charlie will mark balls on a slippery night when other will struggle.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:09 am 
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Harry has detractors not because he isn't a great CHF, but for his failure this year to kick straight from round 1 to round 13. It has scarred many fans. He's kicked 27.25 and 12 out on a full. That's 64 shots at goal and some didnt make the distance, so about 70 shots at goal over 19 games. That's 3.6 shots a game. If he had kicked 42.15 after 19 games, which he should have, we would not be asking him to do more by adding the burden of running around the ground to all the stoppages. Like Charlie, he's a bonafide marking target. We have 2 of the best in that category playing for us at FF and CHF.

I've enjoyed Sydney Blue's level headedness in the Harry debate because he acknowledges many of the things Harry brings to the role as a CHF, and that's because he's better at that than most in the comp with unmatched weapons he possesses. If he can just kick straight when its his turn, I will be happy for him.

September footy is usually footy played in dried conditions (a few exceptions like 2003 GF), and on Sept 30 at 2.30 is the day Harry will out shine all his opponents.

Go Blues. One week at a time.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:14 am 
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The general consensus amongst most footy experts seems to be to go with more running type players or "smalls" in the wet as the ball is on the ground more and marking conditions are difficult.
However, I think something needs to be said about the importance of having bigger bodies around the contest too. Of course you do firstly need to get the balance right and secondly those bigger bodies need to be willing to use those bigger bodies when the ball is in dispute. I'm for bringing Pitto back but he can't just be a spectator when the ball hits the deck. He needs to through his weight around and put the "hurt" on the swans mids and block and create a passage for our mids.
I was in 2 minds re Kennedy but if weather prediction holds, tend to side with KK and think bringing him in would add a lot of value.


:thumbsup: Agree with this post.

Whilst it may look like Pitto doesnt do enough, Pitto has been instructed to batter the opposition ruck to a pulp and smash taggers. Perfect for Finals footy and especially wet weather when the sitting ducks become easier targets. Its a game of attrition. Kennedy too is made for these types of games and conditions. We need to spread that load to have our troops ready for the next battle after this Friday.

I have a feeling the ground will be a bit slippery, but the ball wont be a bar of soap and markable, which Kennedy can do as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:41 am 
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Mickstar usually enquires about this sort of stuff, and its sort of Swans related.

I missed my son's Grand Final on Sunday. Derelict Dad on Father's Day.

Like Errol Gulden, my son plays for Maroubra (team), Marcellin (school) and Swans (Academy)
Maroubra won the Sydney Div 1 U15 Premiership.
15 Swans Academy players from both teams. Maroubra beat the team in the Collingwood jumper. Even better.

Well there was funny stories floating around about Errol.
You probably know that his mum, a development coach in the AFLW, and from Bendigo way, his dad and the whole Gulden family were Carlton mad fans (till Errol joined Swans).
Errol wanted to be a Fevola clone, and some of the cocky stuff he said on the field was copied by listening to Fevola. The line to those on the fence having the best seats in the house to watch the Errol show (and he would deliver), and some other beauties.

Last time Carlton played Swans in a Final was in Sydney in 2013, the week after Duigan kicked 4, Juddy kicked a running goal, and Garlett kicked the last.
Carlton fell short to the Swans after clawing its way to hit the front late in the 3rd quarter after trailing all game. Umpires were the 19th man. Horribly ripped off.
On the way back from the ground, like Errol, we took the train back to Central, and he cried all the way in the train.
I hope Errol cries again this Friday.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:42 am 
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They can't scrag Cripps if he's nominated ruck


Good point.

But will Cripps beat Hickey and McLean in the ruck?
If not, he will be no where near the ball to read the opposition's tap.
Lose Lose situation imo.

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I like Gulden even more now.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:53 am 
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I was pleased to hear today from a mate I went to Uni with who heads BoM and he thinks the rain will die out on Friday as will the wind, and given the MCG dries up pretty quick, its not going to be the forecast SEN suggested, which was more like Thursday's forecast.



I'm interested to hear Effes' forecast also :smile:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:47 pm 
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Spent all of Aug overseas in Glasgow and the US. Watched every game live with my son regardless of what crazy time it was locally.

Still hasn’t quite sunk in that we are playing an Elimination Final this Friday.

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