Largely dependent on how much we ended up signing him for at the end of last season and what he's willing to take from another club potentially in the hunt.

Probably similar to what the Dogs got for Jones.

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The time to trade Levi was last yr. too late now to get anything useful.

Pretty much.

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Both. Armfield attacks with his run and carry, and is defensively very sound.

I don't think either are defenders, but you can use them there in a good system. Buckley is elite with the football, and has a magnificent work rate without it; his weakness is he doesn't always know where to put himself as a defender out of the play, and that comes with time.

I think he's a future midfielder for us, and would prefer to see him off HF. Happy with Armfield there as well. Both best 22 at present. Do not trade; do not discard.


Zero, unless he fixes something or reinvents himself.

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I haven't gone through the thread. Did someone seriously suggest that?

I'm still laughing. On any "list management" thread you're going to get the smart, the stupid and the plainly hysterical.

He's worth alot more to us that what we'd get in a trade.

Better trading Warnock. Ruckman of 6'10" with some sort of overrated reputation are always likely to give you some good, overrated value, even if they are not playing seniors.

I think the dam-building attempts by multiple clubs to stave off free agency are about to give way and we're going to see the market for ordinary players get flooded.

Levi will resultantly command @#$%&! all. Players 28 and over will command @#$%&! all unless they are genuine stars and the contract numbers are decent.

Right now Levi is worth pick 30-40, assuming it's an average draft at that point. Warnock is next-to-worthless; 40+. I honestly think Armfield would command more value than either.

Regardless, we need to rebuild our ruck division, and they are not the future of it. Warnock can go out onto the open market and set himself up for life after football plodding around in the VFL until a club needs him to fill in for a starting ruckman. We can invest in greater potential, likely through the draft.

Levi can count down his days, or work on being a legitmate AFL forward. If someone wants to jump in at the trade table and see him as a cheap version of their messiah, we'll assess their valuation and compare it to our strategies going forward.

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dont worry about ruck div,we need to rebuild our midfield and find players with pace and a solid core.(jacobs destroyed dogs ruckman with hitouts and yet lost game) been saying for years our team is to slow yet we bring player like cachia (joke)

Our tall stocks are vastly more [REDACTED] right now pew; we've got plenty of irons in the fire when it comes to smalls.

Rucks are the first concern, then forwards, then backs. With any luck a trade or free agency opportunity will come up, or a talent will fall to us in the draft, or Giles, Kreuzer, Fields and Foster will all become regular contributors, but we need to plan for a rainy day too.

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Ok so having seen them run around a bit this year here are my thoughts so far on the end of year changes:

Senior List
Out:
Giles
Watson
Carrazzo
Ellard
Holman
Warnock

In:
Silvagni
Rice
Sheehan+

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Rookies

Out:
Walsh+
Johnson
Wood

In:
Bradley
Giles

Everything marked with a plus sign is non-negotiable due to rookie list requirements (i.e. one of the non-category B rookies we picked up last year must be delisted). I don't think Wood will be promoted, and I think we'll pick up all 3 F/S prospects mooted. I think we will re-rookie Giles if he shows positive signs re: his foot.

Everybody listed as outgoing on the senior list is out of contract at the end of the season.

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Why Sheahan and not Byrne?

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Flexibility. Byrne is cat B so can stay on the rookie list another year; Sheehan has to be promoted to be retained.

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I would like to keep Wood for another year. Just for a backup option. Especially if we do not retain Warnock.

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Well then you're in luck, turns out he's contracted until 2016.

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I look at our list like this. By years end we should be playing a side for 2016 and beyond.

B: Buckley Jamison Giles
HB: Docherty Henderson DVR

Foll: Kruezer Gibbs Murphy
C: Boekhurst Cripps Yarran

HF: Bell Jaksch Menzel
F: Smith Foster Walker

Int from: Tuohy Byrne Whiley Everitt Sheehan Walsh Graham


IMO it's a solid base we can build on with some smart recuiting.

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*deep sigh*

Tuohy is about the same age as Henderson, Sheehan and Yarran, and younger than Kreuzer, Jamison, Everitt and Murphy. Walsh probably won't be there in 2016, and expecting that side to be playing remotely competitive football in 12 months is ridiculous, and frankly, hazardous to their development from both a physical and mental standpoint.

Why do you post this stuff over and over again? You literally just pick the youngest possible side, then discard anyone who makes you question this blind decision-making process. Come draft day, you'll pick all of the draftees and talk about 2017, discarding Jamison, Murphy and Everitt. Lock it in.

Also, you left out Gowers, Russell and Fields in your crusade to blood all youth that you feel haven't failed in some small way at senior level.

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Tuohy also in my view is about our most consistent player in 2015 apart from maybe bell both don't seem to get a Guernsey
Tuohy was poor in my view in 2014 BUT has really improved in 2015 as has Bell on last years performance

Bell's in there, meets his criteria for exciting football I guess.

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Sorry Psych my mistake bell is in there

"deeper sigh"

You really do hold a personal grudge jimmae. As such you keep contradicting yourself.

You complain about me playing too many kids then complain I have older players in Henderson, Jamison etc?

There needs to be a transition. You complain about playing too many kids as it may effect their development. How has that worked out for GWS & Bulldogs? Everyone is different both physically and mentally. It is stupid to just assume. How's Cripps going? How was Judd in his first year? As for Walsh I don't think the physicality will be a problem. His issue is ball use and for me he is a bit of smokey. I like the way he goes about it.

Why didn't I name others like Gowers? At the moment I don't believe they are up to it. That's why I didn't pick them. Simple.

However, for the same reason I keep updating my side etc as things do change and not being on the inner sanctum I can only comment on what I see.

Personally I'm just happy we are looking to the next lot of players and others are being given the chance. At the moment I don't care about results. I go the games looking at development and improvement in the next generation. Most will improve greatly by playing senior footy.

In the end it is simply my opinion and it won't make a difference to what actually happens. If you don't like it don't read it

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