And he was good with the kids

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I know mate. Hence why we looked for him so much and when he was down we had no-one else to stand up. No-one wanted too.

I know Simpson is a favourite but his kicking is and has always been woeful.

Simpson reflects Carlton- all heart with no skill or physical brutality

..Menzel and Army, Hendo.. ..shitty they missed some chances..

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Those 3 had shots BKB. They didn't kick them but off memory Hendo's didn't miss by much either, might have hit the post.
My point is that Simmo didn't want to kick for goal. Was looking left, right, behind and basically refused to go back as a leader and kick for goal. McLean would have gone back and had the shot. Might have missed but he would have taken it without a second thought. That sets the tone through the rest of the players especially the young players. Disappointing display by Simmo.

We had a few young uns in last nite. 5 less than 40 games in total.

Not sure what it represents?

Casboult 14 games, McInnes 12; Bell 7; Menzel 4; Graham 2

Hopefully part of next generation Rod together with Watson and lucas cause this one has failed us

if youre relying in a future inclusive of watson and lucas to take us to a better level... forget it!!!............

if they are the next generation.. we have to forget about that generation and move into the one around 2025...

i reckon ... of the guys we have brought in last 3 years... menzel and maybe graham...

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I think this is a critical point Surrey and testimony to our mental softness, not physical softness.

I'll exclude Simmo from this discussion because he was a powerhouse last night and clearly has great mental strength under adversity. Should be captain.

But Yarran and Gibbs in that crucial last few minutes went to water. Arguably two of our very most skillful players. Yarran took the mark 40 metres out directly in front. He didn't want to take the shot. He shat himself. FFS Chris take the shot and win the game. He passed off to Gibbs 30 metres out on a slight angle. Yaz shouldn't have risked the pass and didn't put us in much better position. Gibbs, arguably the best kick in the team, also shat himself and pulled it wide. Mentally weak, soft as butter when it counted. At this level our best players should want the ball and be exhilarated when they have the money shot. And nail it.

It's that mental softness which twists the knife in my gut, not the lack of physical effort, or other simple skill errors. I'm not just singling out these two for our loss but using this as an example of our lack of intestinal fortitude and lack of steel.

Neither can kick those clutch goals.

Bootsma goes ok. Might take a while but has plenty to work with

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Don't exclude Simmo. Played a great game and is our leader but twice refused to kick for goal as a leader should. This is why I highlighted him. Agree with the Yarran call but not the Gibbs call. Atleast he had the shot and took ownership. Different mentality.

Last night should have capped off a rotten week for the bombers.

But oh no, in true Carlton style we just had to give them the pick up they needed.

Yes, we have a recent history of running teams that are out of form back into form.

Simmo has been great, but it does annoy me that after a decade in the AFL he still can't kick adequately on his right foot. Once a game (or more) he gets caught on his right, and he just hasn't improved his right foot kicking. It is not hard, it might seem minor but it is an easy thing to improve and in ten years he hasn't which is one indication that even for the best players at our club small %'s of improvement may not seem worth the effort.

Tuohy also always takes the shot on goal, never refuses and always looking for the chance.

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I was gutted yesterday but today I realized catching up on the last dozen pages that I really don't care.

I have barracked for them since I was a kid in the early sixties in the lean years, as a young and middle-aged man through the golden era and now, even though I get up every week in the middle of the night and watch them the passion in me has just been doused too often for me to care for more than a couple of hours after the game.

The club did that. The players. The coaches. The weak efforts when we needed to win. The pretty boys with their shaved bodies and gelled hair and no guts when they cross the line. I can still marvel at the skills of Yarran when he's 'on'. and I still jump out of my chair and wake up the missus when someone takes a speccy or puts in a big shepherd. I don't like them losing close games when they have a crack but when they just roll over I initially get angry and then just shrug my shoulders.

You see, I'm getting used to it.

And so are the players and that's a problem.

The posters I have most agreed with on this thread refer to lack of leadership and not wanting to take the crucial shot for goal. Murphy always looks to pass off before he has a go. Someone above posted that the best players demand the footy so they can kick the pressure goals. Or try to.

I have seen the best of Carlton and so I am critical of many of the players and many of the on field events during the came thread. I criticized Murphy after the WCE final and claimed his two easy misses from twenty out were the turning point of the game and let the Eagles back in. Got shouted down by several posters. How dare I criticize the mighty Murphy! Well, I reckon he's never come on from that day to this and tonight's presser about having to learn from this and not repeat it, should be his personal mantra.

Synbad comes out with some pretty wild stuff sometimes and I don't agree with a lot of it but his consistent claim we need leaders is very true.

And someone posted in jest (I assume) that all the players should be made to have a #1 buzz is spot on. They're more interested in scoring in clubs than they are on the field. They want to be fashion horses not work horses. Well let me say this. If the money means more than the jumper, MY @#$%&! jumper, @#$%&! off and let someone play who at least has a bit of pride in the club and who actually feels the pain of looking weak in the eyes of the people who pay their wages. Us.

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And another thing Synbad said.
Setanta and Touhy are the ones who worked most on their kicking.
Look at the Setanta doco and how his mum had to call him in from the semi darkness when he was practising his hurling skills in the paddock.

Go to PP at any time of the day and look on the oval. I've been there a few times over the past couple of years and not one player was having shots at goal in his own time. Some of them need to do that extra bit. It isn't just about having the best abs and the best time on the tan.

Just saying.

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