I suggest you make up your own mind. Someone can be a good coach and still be full of it. Jeez, why can't people get it in their heads that it's not about assumptions or perception but about reality.

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That's our Mick to a tee...he is most definitely full of it. But people, especially those who look up to him, seem to lap it up.

Nothing like an inspirational, animated and expressive bit of shit talk from a respected man to get the fire in the belly going. Ratten had as much charisma as my indoor plant....and I don't even own one!

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still noone else will give him a head coach job will they???

u reckon cos its because he was unlucky with unjuries after being really good prior???

so ur a good judge and 18 teams arent????

wow!!!

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Yeah, but you know what I'm getting at. We (as in the coach, people around the club) can say what we like, they can have all the plans in the world but if the reality doesn't stack up then it won't happen. I say we forget the immediate past and look at where we are at now. Let's also look where other clubs fit into the scheme of things. Yes, if everything went right and some things went wrong elsewhere, anything could happen but how likely is that?

You will notice (people in general, not BluesMuse) that we at least didn't (for whatever reason) make the required changes during the draft and trade period last season so that has put us on the back-foot for a start. Who knows what plans and changes opposition clubs have put in place, I mean, who has really studied and evaluated it? It's not us versus us, it's us versus some other bastards. Yes, Malthouse has made mistakes and I would have liked a few more wins but reality is reality. What I see is a side with struggling key forwards, aging stars and a bunch of glorified rookie players. I don't see an under-performed top-four side; at best that belongs to a past that is no longer relevant.

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I thought that early on, but I now believe we are not as far off a top 4 side (on capability at least) I expect 2nd half of the season to reflect that. And that's despite having around 25% of the list as almost having been confirmed as needing to be recycled.

And some of those rookies are proving to be genuine worthy performers, Cachia especially.

How is it irrelevant?

You cant make the excuse about Malthouse having insufficient time to evaluate the list when it was his and the clubs doing. Unfortunately he was travelling around promoting his book during the period the other clubs were assessing their lists.
Another poor decision by the club. They should have told Malthouse you're completely in or out from the start. That decision put our list development 12 months behind. 12 months we dont have.

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Contracts in place and no $, what was he to do?

He could review as much as he liked but his hands were tied because of stupid decisions made before him. Maybe you should point the finger to his predecessor.

But the obvious ones to go were always contracted.
Plus McKay is football manager.. and im sure they spoke.
Problem is contracting guys like Davies Joseph White etc for more than a year.
1) Who was going to poach them?
2) If anybody did poach them would it set the club back?

Ratts and McKAy were responsible for this.....

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Nah it was just Ratts. McKay came aboard at that time without the ability to evaluate anything after Icke walked.

2 year contracts were afforded to Ellard, Davies and Joseph. I remember it well thinking.......why?

Also if anyone thinks we could of traded any of the duds we no longer want, you are deluded.

If we know their crap so does everyone else.

I don't think anyone has spoken about trading our duds.

Wow - 18 teams ?? That was well thought out. So if Malthouse was on the market know all clubs would be prepared to sack their coach to have him. You call me weird.

I haven't said I wanted Ratts as head coach of Carlton or any of the other teams . Just pointing out he was getting good results early last year and at the time you were impressed. Not sure why this FACT gives you so much grief. We were playing football equal to what we played in the last two weeks if not better as we were actually winning. Chinned the pies and took out Freo in WA (they had only lost one game at that time to the swans by a goal and had beaten the cats - reigning premiers).

People say we were worked out but if we were worked out how did we still manage to chin the pies again and then smash the Dons who had worked us out?

Sure we went to crap and the coach copped it in the neck but there were a lot of circumstances beyond his control that contributed to the terrible result last year. This doesn't need to be argued. It makes no difference but for some reason people in a bid to talk up Malthouse are re writing history.

Mick is getting similar results to Ratts but seems to be doing it with a carefully designed system that gives us a more hope for the future...

I think that is all that needs to me said.

Good post club

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kindest regards tommi






oooh.....rhyming slang.....!

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Dermie was asked last night who's the best candidate for the vacant Dee's position.

His choice, you guessed it, B. Ratten.

His reasoning.
He's been great for the Hawks.
Second time coach.
He'll get great support from a new admin with AFL support.

Asked why he hadn't been successful at Carlton. Carlton are the worst club in Victoria to coach because as soon as anything goes the slightest bit wrong the different "factions" and special interest groups start agitating.

Now, I don't think Ratts is a great coach, but I think there's some truth to the rest of it.

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Why would you say that,we have seen more development from our draft picks in the last 6 months ,than in the past 5 years.

So Dermie chosed Ratts and also wanted Ayers at Hawthorn and not Clarkson.

Ummmmmmm ok... give it to Ratts!!!

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and cimm.. i wouldnt have guessed it but it doesnt surprise me.. the powers at hawthorn told dermie to stick to media and dont comment about the club...
Dermie is hardly a smart guy.. and yes i know..people like baz baz will tell me he has played AFL and i havent......
As if only intelligent people have played AFL and the rest of the world is dumb.....

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Just telling you what he said Synners.

Looks to be some truth in there.

And I have nominated that Ratts isn't a great coach.

How you going with McKay's repsonsibilities?

Got the dates right yet?

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When did McKay start exactly Cimm?
And if we didnt have a footy manager youd think that was Ratts doing completely.. which makes it all the more damning against him i would have thought?
Which also means Dermie is a bigger imbecile than previously thought.. or Dermie just hates Melbourne....

Cos if i got my dates wrong.. Ratten is the negligent fool that just keeps costing more than we always thought.. so hardly bringing up what Dermie wrote as any kind of credit...
Right????

Anyway.. you give me McKays starting date... and ill let you know if my dates are jumbled.

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