Hard to provide evidence when he rarely plays in the middle. Often he has more roles on game day than the runner does kilometers. With his talent, if he was penciled in to play in the centre for 22 games a year, I'm sure he would soon become an elite AFL midfielder. But at the moment Rats uses him in ways that are more beneficial to the overall structure of the team.

Regards Cazzesman

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Selwood would've been a beauty but he was passed by six clubs for a reason...

Kyle Reimers maybe? (furiously scrubs keyboard with white king)

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getting back to the game, I'd like to see us run & carry the ball more across the 50m line into the forward line for a running shot thus limiting opportunities for the opposition to rebound

Take it to talking players guys. Bryce has a whole thread to himself over there

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G'day guys, long long time reader, first time poster.

Just couldn't help myself really....

"JR is a pea heart", Gibbs is "soft"... and while I'm here I might as well mention the other one I've despised reading on here over the years "we'll never win a premiership as long as Carrazzo is in our best 22".

Are some of you blokes for real? How much footy have you played? Do you really understand how good these blokes are? How overweight, lazy and stupid are you as you sit there typing your vitriolic rubbish?

I was lucky enough to play some underage footy with a good mate of mine who went on to play AFL. The guy was just an amazing footballer really - fast, strong, skilled, committed, lived for his footy. He played maybe a dozen games. He didn't make it, he wasn't good enough.

For this reason I've always been reluctant to criticise AFL footballers too much.

Are some of them soft? yep? Do we have a handful in our team? Probably. So does evey team. But just about every bloke that runs out there has immense talent and they are not deserving of what is directed at them on here (and at games - I've only made it to maybe 10 games in my life and every time I leave disgusted at the insults thrown at Carlton players.... from Carlton supporters!).

Every player has their weaknesses.... Judd is not the best kick ever to have graced the field, Franklin gives away too many frees and misses too many goals, Jono Brown doesn't lay enough tackles, the list goes on.

I mean, I'd love a team of Koutas, but where does this obsession come from that every Carlton player must not have a single deficiency? Look at the premiership sides of the last few years... is every player perfect on those lists?

JR has deficiencies, I'm not his biggest fan. He seems to try pretty hard though. Is a good size and has reasonable pace. Injury has wrecked his last couple of seasons. Personally I think back to the elim final a couple of years back when he spent much of the game on Ryan O'Keefe. He kept him very quiet and I remember him taking 3 or 4 contested marks in the 3rd quarter (I think) and keeping us in it. I'd love to see him back to that form... the coaches I'm sure would love to see him back to that form... maybe that's why they are backing him and giving him a chance to find some form and fitness. You might disagree with that, but he's not deserving of being called a "pea heart".

Is Gibbs' attack on the ball like Robbo's? Nup, not even close. But so what? He brings other strengths that we need. I understand that it is a little frustrating that he maybe hasn't come on quite as quickly as we would like and he rarely dominates games. I believe that will come. You may not... but again, doesn't mean you should sit here calling him names...

I won't even start on the Carrazo one!

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Great post Sosauge

Welcome aboard.

Yes I take my hat off to that Sausage, but it doesn't change my feelings for JR as a Carlton footballer!

I hope he has me eating humble pie by years end.

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I feel a bit the same to be honest. Trying not to be, but in the past when we've been given agift with other results going in our favour we've often turned out a shocker and not been able to capitalise.

St Kilda really aren't much good but they've troubled us in the past. I think we'll win ugly again.

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The clubs recruiters picked him at number one not Bryce. What flower point does that prove
A team first player because thats what his father taught him. Not withstanding his own brilliance, Ross was not too good getting his shorts dirty either. Not a great example of a team first player
The coaches dont play him in the middle because he lacks pace, intensity and balls.

Dont like this Gibbs bashing one iota. Absolutely no basis to it.. I don't recall a game where Bryce has been beaten, do you?

Your argument is all over the place.

You start off saying he has a peaheart. Thoughts you've avoided since, most likely because you've realised how crazy they were.

Next you're arguing that he's let 10 other blokes go past him and that means he doesn't deserve his place in the side.

And now you've finally reached the argument about whether he's in our best 22 or not, which is what the argument should be centred on, not the size of his heart or how many players he's 'let' go past him. (by the way, could you please point out where I've used injury or confidence in his defence?)

The nature of JR's injuries means they're not likely to get too much better, his confidence will either come or it won't, along with whether players have gone past him is irrelevant to his selection. That'll be decided by where's placed each week to carry out a role in the MC's game plan.

Personally, I think he's on the fringe, competing with the players you've mentioned for places in the side. To claim definitively one way or the way or the other whether he has a place in the side or not is silly.

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getting back to the game, I'd like to see AJ run with Dal, Tuohy to do the job on Milne

What a load of rubbish.

The game's gone well past sending your poor kicks to the backline and hiding them there.

Forward attacks are set up from half back now and you need good users of the ball and more importantly players who are able to read the play and make good decisions.

There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there with plenty of 'balls' who don't mind slagging off at players.

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Interesting Rexy, others may correct me, but I think AJ has a good record on Milne. I'd like to see one of our good mids go head to head with Dal, play tight enough on him, but exploit him going the other way.

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Welcome to TC

If we can stop the Blowfly they've got no chance at all. He's dined out on us over the years, but it shouldn't be enough. Baggers by 32..........without being too cocky.