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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:46 pm 
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We're about 15,000 short of filling Etihad. And what exactly is the plan of selling something bigger than a seat?



A couch?


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Look at that ad for "The Collingwood Army". That's about much more than a seat at the footy.

So the added benefits are marching as a group through the northern suburbs to the MCG, all the while looking like a bunch of nonce thugs who will cause the riot on the back of discussion of a sporting team?

You're right, it's much more than a seat at the footy. It's installing hooliganism in the sporting capital of the world...

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:02 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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We're about 15,000 short of filling Etihad. And what exactly is the plan of selling something bigger than a seat?



A couch?



Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Look at that ad for "The Collingwood Army". That's about much more than a seat at the footy.

So the added benefits are marching as a group through the northern suburbs to the MCG, all the while looking like a bunch of nonce thugs who will cause the riot on the back of discussion of a sporting team?

You're right, it's much more than a seat at the footy. It's installing hooliganism in the sporting capital of the world...


I think you might mean instilling.

Come on, jim I'm trying to give a department that I've been very critical of the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I'm all for them having lofty ambitions, as long as they set out the benefits, and the ways to get there.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:08 pm 
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if all you aim for is to fill Ethiad stadium I think you'd be missing the point of what a football club is all about.


its about trying to get all those who DO NOT GO yet feel connected to the team through radio/television/history/whatevers/ to feel a part of the journey.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:12 pm 
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if all you aim for is to fill Ethiad stadium I think you'd be missing the point of what a football club is all about.


its about trying to get all those who DO NOT GO yet feel connected to the team through radio/television/history/whatevers/ to feel a part of the journey.


Well said, Dannyboy. And I'm applauding the club for trying to look beyond the simple equation of bums on seats. As long as they don't actually neglect that aspect along the way, of course, especially with all matches being live against the gate on TV from next year

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the sporting capital of the world...

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:39 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
I think you might mean instilling.

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Come on, jim I'm trying to give a department that I've been very critical of the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I'm all for them having lofty ambitions, as long as they set out the benefits, and the ways to get there.

That's fine, but I think the Collingwood model is rubbish, despite its success.

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the sporting capital of the world...

:lol:

http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/17558 ... city-award

We're the #1 city in the world when it comes to sporting events; I'd say that it's a fair claim.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:25 pm 
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I'd say it's a load of shit.

One off events don't count.

I'll give you the Australian Open.

Melbourne is losing the Grand Prix.

No-one else gives a stuff about footy.

This list has Sydney ranked as the fifth in world, and we all know how apathetic they are about sport.

If you asked people from around the world what they thought the sporting capitol of the world is, how many do you reckon would answer "Melbourne"?

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Pfft

We all coutts was just keeping you on the phone to avoid doing any real work

Lazy bastard. Carlton suck

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:01 pm 
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I reckon most wouldn't be able to give you an answer.

There's no doubt almost none of what we host is considered to be one of the biggest sporting events in the world bar the Grand Prix, the Open and the Cup, but we consistently deliver more large-scale sporting events more than any others.

That award is done every year, nothing to do with one-offs. I think we've won it 5 years running. This is all a bit off-topic anyway, and the club branding discussion is worthy of a new thread.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:04 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
I'd say it's a load of shit.

One off events don't count.

I'll give you the Australian Open.

Melbourne is losing the Grand Prix.

No-one else gives a stuff about footy.

This list has Sydney ranked as the fifth in world, and we all know how apathetic they are about sport.

If you asked people from around the world what they thought the sporting capitol of the world is, how many do you reckon would answer "Melbourne"?


Tennis Slam, F1 Grand Prix, biggest horse race in the world, hosted the Olympics, home of the AFL & AFL Grand Final, etc. etc.
I don't know by which measure you could say Melbourne isn't the sporting capital of the world. What cities would even be our rivals?


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I'd like to apologise for the tone of my last post. I was in a rush, so it may have sounded more abrasive than I intended.

It was more a gentle ribbing than anything, because I know there's no way most Melbournians would ever believe that Melbourne isn't the centre of the universe. :razz:

jimmae wrote:
I reckon most wouldn't be able to give you an answer.

But if pushed, I'd bet the vast majority wouldn't say Melbourne. Do you think they would?

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There's no doubt almost none of what we host is considered to be one of the biggest sporting events in the world

Which I suppose was more my point. If you're claiming the be the best in the world at something, that thing should actually be relevant to the rest of the world.

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That award is done every year, nothing to do with one-offs.

That comment was in regard to the link you posted, which used the 2006 Commonwealth Games as evidence to uphold this claim 4 years later. :screwy:

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Tennis Slam, F1 Grand Prix, biggest horse race in the world, hosted the Olympics, home of the AFL & AFL Grand Final

I've already given you the tennis, you're losing the GP, define "biggest" (and back it up) certainly not the richest (and lets faces it that's all the counts with horse racing), the 1956 Olympics? You're trying to use an event held over 50 years ago to back up this claim? Really? :lol:, no-one else gives a stuff about footy.

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Lurker Blue wrote:
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Tennis Slam, F1 Grand Prix, biggest horse race in the world, hosted the Olympics, home of the AFL & AFL Grand Final

I've already given you the tennis, you're losing the GP, define "biggest" (and back it up) certainly not the richest (and lets faces it that's all the counts with horse racing), the 1956 Olympics? You're trying to use an event held over 50 years ago to back up this claim? Really? :lol:, no-one else gives a stuff about footy.


Um, the Melbourne Cup is the richest. That's how I would define biggest.
Still have the F1, haven't lost it yet. And I know the Olympics was 50 years ago, but we've had it. How many cities can compete with that.

Edit: Oops, Dubai World Cup is bigger. We have the second biggest horse race in the world.


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I got a phone call this morning from Ian Coutts, and while I still think the Club could have done something more, he did explain the position of the club and some of the difficulties.

I have softened my somewhat belligerent stance which Cazzesman upbraided me for the other day, probably rightly, but I still feel fairly justified for having, and expressing those opinions.

He also agreed that the information given to me yesterday which made me so angry wasn't correct.

Over our conversation of almost 20 minutes, we discussed many things about interstate trips and opportunities to interact with supporters. Some of which are below. They aren't in chronological order of the discussion, I'm trying to distill our fairly wide-ranging chat into some salient points.

Some of the difficulties which prevent puff-piece stories being written about players visiting local clubs are things like the attitude of the press towards the club, and that if they don't offer up Judd as one of those players, then the press isn't interested. Judd has expressed his desire NOT to be seen as the sole face of the club, and the club has also tried to put the message out that CFC doesn't stand for the Chris Football Club. I said that I was sick seeing so-called football journalists put ridiculous puff-pieces into the papers on an almost daily basis about Essendon*, pieces which were little more than fawning schoolboy fan writing writ large, and would like to see more positive press about our club.

If anything is arranged, they need to be central, not just to Sydney, but to where the team is staying, as after a match, it's not the best to have players being bussed across Sydney for an hour or more.

He doesn't think there's an official affiliation with the Campbelltown football club. If that's the case, I did express that it's a shame, not just because that's my local team, but there was one only a few years back, IIRC, as I'm sure I got a letter from the club a few seasons back talking about it.

He said that fans everywhere, even Melbourne just want to meet and mingle with the players. That's just not possible, and the club is trying to increase social media and other technological opportunities to allow fans to interact with players.

That led me to express how utterly revolting the Telstra based club site is, and ask why is it not possible to have Optus replace that as part of their sponsorship. He said that the clubs receive not only the website, but $500000 as part of the deal. Even Essendon* has come on board apparently. And if we went it alone with Optus, not only would the club forgo the cash, but then have to build the site, write the articles etc.

I suggested a few opportunities which may be able to be exploited in the future, and asked that he keep my contact details, as I would be happy to help out with my professional skills where I could, and I'm sure there were many other Sydney based fans who would do the same.

I said that Sydney offered opportunities which Adelaide and Perth couldn't even begin to offer. I did say that of course I was saying this in a biased way, as I live here, not in SA or WA, but I still hold some of those things to be true. Those things include that the sheer population and geographical spread of Sydney means that there is simply a much bigger market to look at here. Sydney also offers the opportunity that as so-called Rugby League territory, potential supporters here aren't already aligned to a local or Victorian AFL club the way they mostly are in Adelaide and Perth. Also that the Swans are seen as a club for the North and East, and people outside Sydney don't appreciate how long it can take and how much it can cost to travel across the greater metro area here, and as such there's a big market of people who could easily be found to want a club which more represents them.

He accepted my point about the way Sydney supporters are treated as poor cousins to WA and SA supporters, and I related to him my talk with Sticks last March, and the point that there may be a certain amount of "build it and they will come" factor to the percentage of members to supporters in places like Perth, given they regularly get 2 matches a year to Sydney's average of one every 2 years.

Our conversation was cordial, and I thanked Ian for his time, and I hope that he keeps some of my feedback in mind when interstate trips are arranged into the future.

I do accept many of the things he had to say, and would like to think that the club is going to be somewhat more proactive about opportunities which are presented by hopefully playing more in Sydney, as will probably happen into the future with the introduction of GWS next year.

If there's anything I've missed, I'll add it later.


Big credit to you for taking the caustically delivered advice to call the club, and well done on and make the most of it by getting onto Coutts :clap:

Nice to hear that Coutts is happy to communicate with members too. I'll give him bonus points if he was aware enough of TC to know this was a good opportunity to broadcast a message of pro-activity by proxy.


Yes, and given that KK is interstate, it's nice of Coutts to communicate directly with a country member.












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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:00 am 
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We all coutts was just keeping you on the phone to avoid doing any real work

Lazy bastard. Carlton suck


NO WAY!! Coutts was keeping KK on the phone to avoid talking to Budzy!!

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:02 pm 
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Yes, and given that KK is interstate, it's nice of Coutts to communicate directly with a country member.












(said with the utmost respect, KK)


Taken in the manner in which it was intended, Moshe :thumbsup:

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