Regardless of whether this is being sensationalised or not, significant damage to the club is being done.

If I was Swanny, every Carlton player, football dept official and board member would be required at the club TODAY. This can't wait. Rightly or wrongly, we're getting hammered (it would appear quite deservedly so) and we need to take action now. Press releases are not sufficient at the moment.

I would start by saying 'whatever you had planned for Christmas and your annual leave has just been cancelled courtesy of the Carlton Football Club...'

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We are on our way back...

Whoever thought it was a good idea and was part of chaining up a kid should be sacked.

Actually... id throw a bunch of them in the reserves and allow many of them to rot there.

And id start sacking administrators and presidents.

This is not how you run a footy club.....

not in this day and age....

Way out of our depth...

Swann and Sticks are responsible followed by Icke and Ratts.

Pathetic!!!!

Were not going anywhere.......

This club is stuck in the past....

En mass.. thats a culture problem.

We knew that anyway... or those that had a half a brain and knew whats been going on.

We havent won anything and they wanna party.....

Im sick of it.........

... im sick of bananas that think its just going to happen....players.. coaches.. officials.. and supporters!!!

Its not...

Were miles behind the science.. and the nouse and the professionalism.

Pratts money can only take us so far....

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Carlton need to setup a process at the club. Getting rid of players isn't the answer.

My point was that no 18-28 year old will never go out partying and have a few drinks. IF you think you will have 40 odd players on the list that will sit at home on a sat nite and watch tv for 52 weeks of the year then u are dillusional

The players are horny, they know they can get hot girls easy, they want to party, its part of the AFL life, sportsman life.

Whether you like it or not, this shit will happen over and over again.

But the club needs to better manage the players, what they are doing now isnt getting the message across.

If you want to support a club that never has these issues then follow netball ok

Lets say some of us have a tendancy to agree with you and the decision is made to chop heads, who do you think we can bring in to replace those that you think should go?

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It is a simple task to make things complex,
it is a complex task to make things simple.

Im a believer in the chaos theory.
While Sticks is in charge of the club.......... right??... noone will challenge him... which means.. were stuck with the worst ever president in the hostory of the game.
Can you show me what his qualifications are to run this outfit?

Pretty sure..... that a club like Carlton is not in the mercy of Sticks...and noone else can save it.

Like im pretty sure right,,???.. that if Sticks retires tomorrow.. that the club isnt [REDACTED].....ill bet anyone that..... ill bet that Sticks is not be the glue that holds this club from falling away....

Swann isnt doing his job.....there are a number of question marks arising about Swann.. IMO... and im not sure whether he had a better infrustructure around him at Collingwood... or whether he is on too much money and doesnt wanna rock any boats.. or whether he is bound like the rookie was.. and Sticks and his mates have the key... but Swann is seriously a man that looks out of his depth at the CFC.

Sticks just needs to know that he is too powerful for the banana that he is...usually power goes with the guy with the money or the brains... in Sticks case...he has no money and he has no influence outside of the CFC.. and he has no brains.. hes an empty shirt.
He wants to be everybodys mate.. he has no smarts about him..he cant make a decision to save his life... hes pathetic in front of the media.. he has a mullet.. hes yesterdays footballer... who would be driving a fork lift in Glenelg somewhere unloading pallets full of stuff made in china on its way to two dollar shops if it wasnt for the fact that he was a good footballer in the eighties and early nineties.
But he isnt the man to lead this club out of the nineties and into the new dawn.
He listens to Jimmy Barnes and when he is being romantic he would love to play Kenny G.
He wouldnt be able to order of a menu outside of the La Porchetas... He would love the Adelaide famous 'Floatie'. He would wear G strings with tight pants...and he is too easily influenced by everybody at the same time....

He has been on everybodys side... hes been around the club in official circles right throughout our darkest time. Its not a coincidence.
Sticks isnt going to fix anything. He is a hinderence.
He should walk away from the club and take a long, long holiday and allow regrowth... not corrupted with his idiotic fingerprints.

A few board members should follow him.

They should just allow others to fill the void.

Noone will challenge Sticks.. and they keep Sticks cos that means the bananas on the board are all safe too.

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Actually as ridiculous as this sounds.... im just about starting to think Swann is a Trojan Horse sent in by Collingwood to destry us.
It might be the old double agent trick.. and he gets a million dollars too....

Terrible decisions.
Culture is getting worse.
And maybe we should go get Fev back to make some of these blokes look ok.. cos i dont think theyre going to have the answers on the field either.

What happened over the weekend is the tip of the iceberg.

If you see a cockroach you can guarantee there are heaps of others if you oull away the floorboards crawling under the house.

I see more than a cockroach.... and i know there just have to be heaps more hidden away in thise dark crannies.

Who would think eh???

Were Stkilda.

Shit culture...
Moorrabin Social Club Boogie nights.....

Someone has to put his hand up and become accountable.

But theyre going to do the Corporal Schults routine..... "I know nuffing.... nuuffffffink..."

nuffies !!!.. running the club.

im just sad.

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Its not just your five yo that feels that way.

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#DopeThenStash

Fair Dinkum Carlton........ is there a remote chance some time in the not too
distant future you could recall some semblance of professionalism, and basically,
just get fair dinkum about that ethic ??????????

And in the corner i can see Big Ted.............
THIS IS BLOODY ROMPER ROOM !!!!
Talk about send in the clowns !!??

Some senior management at Carlton better lay down the law, for once and for all
This situation is manna from heaven for the media and it seems like we have just
let it happen after this so called unofficial end of the year function.

Well @#$%&! me, i want the quest for number 17 to be at the forefront of everyone
in PAID employment of CFC, not when it suits, unofficial my ass, cop out !!

Talk about a snowball effect, hey Ratts didnt you say not too long ago something
along the lines of play for us or @#$%&! off ?
You didnt mean drink with us did you ?
More than his coaching moves, he needs his gonads on display purty soon

I am piste off to the max.

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WOW. Point missed somewhat...

Get this shit out in the open - let the light in to help drain the fetid swamp.

Good to see Synbad back and fired up - obviously there is something rotten in Denmark FFS! The club must be aggressive and on the front foot. Complacency, laziness and short cuts are going to flower CFC.

Yes the incidents are mostly minor and blown up given the quiet time of year, but there is a serious culture problem, and the Casboult scenario is suburban footy crap - nasty stuff.

The responsibility lies mostly with the players, but still - Fish. Rot. Head.

Sticks - a joke of a president. Always has been always will be. And stuff your caveats about his playing record - IRRELEVANT. FLOWERING IRRELEVANT. FLOWER OFF THANKS

Swann - Footy manager manque. Good operator on some level, but like some administrators loves the footy side too much - does he want to be popular with the playing group?

Ratten - Obviously a hands-off coach, does he lack respect from the player group? Hey Ratts - the 90s are a loooong time ago. And stuff your swagger and strut in a sack. EARN the respect, achieve something meaningful before talking about some bullshit strut. The strut came about due to luck, management, focus and hard work, and after a torrent of premierships. It also preceded our decline and fall.

Judd - Fev famously disrespects him at the brownlow. Flowering non-entity Robinson apparently disrespects him at some club. What's going on? Does Judd feel he needs to coddle these tools? Why doesn't the player of the decade not command the deference and respect that the greats of the game do? What is he missing as a leader?

This is quite distressing to have to deal with, even from a supporter/member position. We are having to look in from the outside and see these events take place and are powerless to affect it in any way, in the short term at least. What I am not seeing is someone from within the organisation taking control and put into place measures that will lead to actual results. Over and over we seem to be the laughing stock of the AFL. It's not a matter of life or death, I am fully aware, but this club and this game does live or die by the passion and support of the members and those who fill the stands.

If this is normal behaviour why do we not see these things happening so frequently from every other team? What about Adelaide? Sydney? Brisbane? I accept that at least we do not have our players breaking into houses, damaging cars, beating their partners, etc, but they are extremes. IF - and this is a big if - we are purporting to be running one of the finest sporting clubs in the country, where are the results to support this? Player behaviour and personal accountability do not seem to be a part of the current management style and over the last 8-10 years have not been in evidence at all. It is a long way back for us to look and find these kind of values and qualities at the forefront of the club and actually on display, as a whole. Don't get me wrong, tarring everyone with the same brush is not my point as we have some of the finest men in the competition in our club and I am sure that they do display the level of commitment and accountability that a professional - yes I said it, a professional in any field would deem the minimum to hold their head up and have themselves counted.

No, I'm not voting for the all footballers must be choirboys, not in the slightest. They don't even have to be brain surgeons. My expected attitude is that of someone given the chance to lead an amazing life being able to spend as much of their time as they choose to working on themselves and improving a team while being rewarded both fiscally and emotionally far and above where better men are. I have had a lot of experience working with and managing young men and women in the same age bracket, preparing them for other professional fields in an environment that has a lot of similarities. Yes, I was one of them once and I truly do appreciate the temptations and the possibilities for getting yourself into trouble. Realising that your whole world can come crashing to a halt through thoughtless and avoidable actions is something that often comes too late to some. For some, once is enough to end it, all because you wouldn't listen to those around you. Sometimes the warnings DO apply to you. That is what I'm not seeing form some of 'our' boys.

Fair go that the players are responsible for their own actions, but if this is happening time after time, where does the buck stop? I would like the question put to Messrs Swann and Co that if this was happening to another club, time after time, at what stage does the admin and management step forward and take their fair cop? It's fair enough to say that 'we have spoken to the players' etc etc, but ultimately YOU are responsible for the actions of the playing group and achieving No 17.

You are.

If it was my fault sitting here as a member/supporter then I would gladly step forward and do whatever I needed to in order to fix this situation. But, it's not.

This seems to me to the point where those who are serious about the CFC have to take the hard line and take those that are in, or out. If you're out, you're out. No more chances. There is a way back for those who have digressed, but not an easy one. If I was in the playing group I would be livid that AGAIN I have been embarrassed by a couple of numpties who only seem to think about themselves over and above the rest of their 'teammates'.

What are you going to do about it CFC?

GO BLUES

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If all the players arnt called in today and the ringleaders arnt suspended by the club for a minimum of 4 months I wont be buying a membership. Thats how I feel. If this matter is dealt with on the 4th of January then the club can go @#$%&! themselves.
The players involved in forcing the kid to drink should be thrown out of the club for that 4 month period as well

Dont worry about Ratts and Sticks.
We will struggle next year and their incompetence will be well and truly exposed

At 6.01am as the lead story on SEN, you would've heard a loud cracking sound, that was my heart ripping in two as I heard about Casboult being tied up.

The Casboult story is a prank you hear played on bucks at a bucks party!! I always thought it was an urban myth, but lets get one thing straight .. the players were on a frigin boat what would happen if it sank? then lets gets started on the drinking games professional footballers teaching young kids how to get blotto? a senior player involved is wrong.

@#$%&! Carlton is how I feel right now, I have my reserved seat renewal on my desk yet to be sent and it will stay that way until I hear action had been taken ...... and I don't mean just players .... like Synners this starts at the top and heads need to roll now. Our leadership is non-existent for this to continue happening, Judd, Ratten, Sticks, Swann, Reilly and Icke are under the microscope here.

If I was Gibbs why re-sign at Carlton?

This club had a serious stench about it I don't like at present, I've sent my letter to Santa and told him anything Carlton keep.

Carlton president Stephen Kernahan vows to crack down on player behaviour

This is absurd. 4th of January, I don't care if they are interstate get everyone's arse back to Visy Park and get this shit sorted Tuesday next week. Self Interest and pushing things to the side is why we are in this mess.

Sticks you need to step down, in fact I'm hoping Demetriou comes in and lays the smackdown on our arse and dishes out suspensions and massive fines to the club just to help the the process along ... I've had it.

January 4th???!!!...What year??

Doesn't Kernahan own a telephone? How about showing some backbone and give the players 48 hours to return to Visy Park for an enormous boot up the backside?

Is he hoping this is going to blow over and disappear over the New Year?

Your membership money is paying for all this...

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Guess what Synners.. I agree with you.I feel completely sick waking up to this...surprised there wasn't a woman for the group to share as well. Dinosaur stuff. Does this mean all the new players have had to go through this?
Hearing Daniel Harford on SEn blaming Levi's dad....unbelievable!
I'm glad all the poison is coming out..because maybe we can finally clean this wound and have a club to be proud of off field as well as on.
It also makes you wonder if programs like Leading Edge(??)are only preaching to players that are already converted,and fit a certain psychological profile that responds well to self inquiry.
For others types, it would appear to be a waste of time and money.Bring in labotomies.
I have a little home made unit right here....send 'em around.
Pathetic!!!!
ps.Next year,i want to see pics of the boys visiting homeless shelters, and hospitals.

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The joint's rotten, and in the long run, it's better that this sort of stuff is fully exposed right now.

Carlton's booze culture (encouraged from the very top) is something that will only be stamped out by external pressure from the media, supporters, and the AFL administration.

Because I'm pretty much convinced that the club's leadership would, in their hearts, wonder what's wrong with this kind of behaviour.

Yeah, that's you Sticks.

As Synbad said: we're St Kilda circa 1980's/1990's. Who would've thought

The club's leaders must hold themselves accountable.

Very disappointed in them, the players, and in the club in general.

We have become St Kilda and, dare I say it, St Kilda have become us...strange days indeed

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We need a crisis meeting, the problem is the ones needing to instigate the meeting appear to be the ones who allow this culture to continue.

This is an absolute disgrace, more importantly how do you go to things like family days and look some of these guys in the eye!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to give Houla and Walker some fairness and benefit of doubt, but to see the rest come out I am absolutely disgusted, and to think I put my hard earn money in to supporting the club like many.

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Are the club even allowed to call the players in on the 28th when an official break is in place?

There's probably a clause in the CBA that says they can't.

The club is limited in what punishments it can hand out.

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