today no
last week yes
week before that yes
3 weeks ago yes
most of the season yes

this bloke has played 2 good games in the space of the last 2 seasons
we have to stop hoping he is going to be good
he is the ultimate football tease doesone or two acts of brilliance and you start to think if he could just do that more often

but he never does

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Zoned off, what game were you at Sydney? The Crows had about 12 guys in our forward line. It was more crowded than a peak hour train. Every time he went for a mark Setanta had two on him and the Crows still had an extra man in front of Fev.

We have a lot more problems than Setanta. We were murdered everywhere from the coaches box to our kickoffs to the square. Royce Hart would have struggled up forward for the Blues today

Amen. How many big games will Judd amass his possessions and have 80% of them be ineffective?

It's not only him though, but damn. TO pick on Setanta is really unfair.

Poor Syd... he clutches at straws...
Hates Yarrans character.... loves Elliots character...
Thinks Setanta was shown up yesterday.... i thought the side was shown up yesterday..


makes very little sense....when he argues....

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In the first half both teams were playing with a loose man in defence. Bower and Thornton were double teaming Tippett.

Second Qtr I was paying particular attention to the matchups and Otten was lining up on Walker at Centre bounces, Tex was charging into the square while Otten hung back to play that loose man role. Late in the quarter we sent Johnson forward to play on Otten.

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I noticed about 10-15 mins into the 1st, Carlos was on the bench.

Not sure why he was sent there so soon into the game given the fact that he draws an opponent to him.

Anyone else notice that?

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What games have you been watching the last couple of weeks, even living in Singapore I know Austin hasn't played for several weeks now...

Yes he has some sort of infection, or so I have read.

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This thread is stupid. The thing is to keep up this form of experimentation and do your regular recruiting and development. There is no need to turn O'hAilpin into a scapegoat.

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I'd have to say that at this point in time, Sydney's bias against Santy is closer to the pin than those who are biased in his favor.

Comments on Santy's game are legitimate, after all, isn't he our great white hope at CHF?

The Adelaide game was his third poor game in a row. One mark, one kick, no tackles - not a great return. Kicked a goal and he does seem to have a knack for bobbing up with a goal altho he's only once got more than one (this year).

Has the lowest tackle rate per game except for Sauce. Even a renowned non-tackler like Fish has a higher average. Cloke even higher still. Both these players - who have played a similar role to Santy this year - also have double the marking average per game. Almost seven compared to Santy's 3.25. (disturbingly tho, Santy's marking average is higher than both Kruz and Hampy's).

Here's another interesting stat. In 11 games this year, Santy has no frees for and only one against. This is amazingly low for any player but especially for one who's held up to be another bash and barge Earl Spalding. How does he do it? He's either remarkably disciplined or he's a very outside player who does little if any bashing and barging. I'd say he's just not injecting himself into the play as he should.

Another little observation. Remember to when he let the ball bounce past him for a goal to Murphy several games ago and everyone wrote it up as a sensational shepherd? He did it again on the weekend except this time in the back line. Let the ball bounce past him before attempting to pick it up. I'd say it's a hurly hangover - the ball go past and then give a big whack. Not too good in footy tho.

Now I hope he gets picked this week because I'm one of those who's "hoping" he can nail it. But I wouldn't be surprised if Cloke replaces him. Santy's ability - or should I say his height - to play back might save him.

I don't always agree with Sydney's obvious bias but I think at the moment, he's being a little more realistic than some others.

The one thing that I will admit to with Setanta is still at times he has the tendency to look absolutely lost out there and he makes stupid errors.

Examples that are glaring from recent weeks...

1. The Geelong game. The Geelong player kicked the ball straight to him after the Blues scored a behind. He caught it at the top of the goal square. He didn't go back to take a mark like someone who thought it was a mark would have, he didn't kick it straight back through the sticks for a goal like he should have, either. He stood there dumbfounded. I can't remember whether we ended up with a goal from the play but I do remember he basically threw the ball away when he had an easy shot.

2. The Adelaide game (2nd quarter I believe). He takes a mark. At least one, if not two Crow players on him. Still in the marking contest though the umpire has paid the mark. He turns around while the Crow player(s) are on him and immediately plays on, ending up in a tackle and again throwing the ball away. I'm not sure whether the smaller running player (was it Murphy?) who was running on down the field called for the ball, but I do know that it looked absolutely terrible and was not at all the right play and never would be.

My problem with Setanta is that he doesn't seem to have learned the game nearly enough in the years that he has spent out here playing. Silly mental errors that cost goals. I love the guy though and wish nothing for the best from him. I don't put the game on saturday on him, most of the guys were awful.

However, while the AFL has hyped him up as being a big name player (a lot of opposition fans that I sit near see him and say "That's Setanta. He's a total gun." it may be time for the Blues to trade him. His value may never be higher than what it is right now.

Is he another victim of supporters' high expectations?

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It was reported that exactly the same thing happened in the Bullants to Yarran, with much the same result, so do you think we should trade Yarran too as he seems to have no footy smarts either?



I've seen the same error made by Judd, Murphy, Stevens, Scotland and many other Carlton players this year, playing on without being aware they were about to be tackled, funny how not growing up in Ireland makes players immune to this sort of scrutiny...

Come on billy, how meaningful and selective are stats. For instance, we had more than the Crows on the weekend - so its a real consolation that we won the stats count! He had as many possies as Fev. His quick hands out to Simmo got a goal in the first. He set up Yarran again beating his man at ground level after contesting the mark, unfortunately Yarran missed a shot he would normally gobble. Marked took on a tackler and fed off to Simmo to set up Fev and also kicked one. So in the first half had a crucial hand in 3 goals and another should be goal.

We were flogged he was instructed to play deep in a hopelessly clogged forward line where both he and Fev were double teamed. No-one should expect him to be Earl or the potential great CHF, he is an average footballer, contributing averagely but quicker, surer hands, more agile and more versatile than either Cloke or Fish. See any other average footballers out there on the weekend? I saw about 20 in the navy blue. Forwards aren't usually going to shine when the side goes down by 12.

So if things don't go to plan on the weekend do you see Cloke or Fish taking on Micth Clark or Jon Brown. We have had a fairly settled side for two months, an elimination final is not the time to bring back two guys who have been tried and failed, especially if one lost his place for a costly breach of discipline

See this is the thing with him you see two or three little things in a game that makes you think yes he is nearly there but after that nothing . We your forward line is clogged you would expect at some time someone would take a grab - the biggest bloke up there could donly manage one uncontested mark all game - what is the point of having him we would have been better off with another small

He is not good enough -drop him this week bring in one of the other rucks and rotate them through the forwardline we have nothing to lose and everything to gain as he is giving us nothing 2 or 3 little gives here and there isnt enough to warrant selection each week

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Carlos is a compulsory selection in order to play on Jonathan Brown if necessary.....and you don't drop him now he's got a

chance to play in a Final....he's had an encouraging year.

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Not what I'd do SB - I'd play him and Kruise, Him as a lead up to wing and Kruise at true CHF

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Lead up to the wing and do what??

he is 199cm dont know to many lead up to the wing players this size

Wigins is better at that role than him

His brother thought he could be a 200cm midfielder but no at that size you are needed else where

against Essendon* and Freo he played the role we all wanted him to play at acquitted himself ok
but that was against rubbish defenders since then he has struggled and finished every game in defence as he has been giving us nothing up forward

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Did you see Walks handball it in D50 straight to a Crow who slotted an easy goal? I just think we need to get rid of this idea of drafting guys from Echuca. What do Echucans know about footy? The lack of any understanding of the game really shines through at moments like that. Someone who was raised with the game would know you don't handball to the opposition inside 50. But that's the tennis background for you - they always hit the ball to the opponent rather than to their partner at the net. And I could give other isolated examples too. Gee, after a loss, I can give you any number you want ...

Jeez!.........does DOA still post on here?...............

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