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you only get paid them if you play so I doubt Fev will be playing this week so you will get nothing :lol:


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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


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As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.

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last time I looked, being a numb nuts was not a capital offence, it did not incur automatic excommunication or beheading.

there are many numb nuts out there and yes, some of them are heads of government.

like it or not .... he's our numb nuts .... and .... he can kick goals

play him or not for 1,2 or 3 weeks will make no difference to our season, 2008 is just for practice

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I'd fine him, remove him from the leadership group, and send him down there with a bucket and scrubbing brush to clean up his boo-boo.

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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


Camel

As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue

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SEN Rumour: $5k fine, playing this week, out of leadership group and banned from grog all year (Could of been season).

If this turns out to be the case it's probably the best result. But I'm curious about what the punishment would be if he does get on the grog this year, or if he behaves for the rest of the year but does something stupid again next year. Sacked?

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last time I looked, being a numb nuts was not a capital offence, it did not incur automatic excommunication or beheading.

there are many numb nuts out there and yes, some of them are heads of government.

like it or not .... he's our numb nuts .... and .... he can kick goals

play him or not for 1,2 or 3 weeks will make no difference to our season, 2008 is just for practice


So technically if he has num nuts he might not have realised he was peeing?

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He doesn't have anything much to answer for, so logic would suggest he won't receive any sort of punishment.

Can anyone confirm that there is a curfew at Carlton he was breaking? I haven't heard it mentioned before that we have a curfew. Does this mean Fevola has to leave his own restaurant and go home so as not to break the curfew?

Fevola said without any hesitation that there would be no video footage of him urinating. There isn't any footage of him urinating anyway, so he can't be held responsible for something that is impossible to prove.

This chap who has been in the media a) wasn't injured, b) didn't call the cops, c) is not making assault charges, and d) has played the incident up to the media to great effect.

No patrons have come forward in the media to back up claims that Fevola was urinating on the window.

The CCTV footage does not show Fevola urinating on the window.

All up there was a bit of a push and shove which was all over very quickly and Fevola moved on.

There have been no reports in the media about Fevola being blind drunk, either at the cafe or anywhere else in Melbourne. He was out late, with his wife, but as has been suggested they have a business which opens until late at night. If 1 and a half hours after the incident Fevola was still out and about, one would think he would be completely off his face by 5.30am yet nowehere has this been reported.

It's quite possible that after work Fevola likes to unwind, which could mean staying up for a while after the restaurant is closed. It's irrelevant what time he stays up to. Lots of people who work into the night don't just go home and go to bed. Saturday night would be the restaurant's busiest night too, so it's no wonder he and his wife were winding down. They may have only closed up a couple of hours before. Either way, it's got nothing to do with anyone here how late Fevola stays up.

There really isn't a case to answer to. There wasn't even a fight. Pushing someone who was abusing you verbally can lead to a fight, but it didn't, sane heads prevailed and there was no incident. This wally from the cafe just wants to get his 15 minutes of fame.


It is exactly this type of justification which lets a goose like fev keep doing what he is doing.

FFS....suspend him and set an example

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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


Camel

As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue


You can come piss on mine, but afterwards you are going to be fined, demoted at work then transferred to another division at the end of the year.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


Camel

As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue


only if you come and piss on mine as well ..... what a silly thing to say SB

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I think that everyone is losing sight of the main thing - JUDD

True. We've gotta figure out who's gonna play on him thursday night. Otherwise he'll cut us to ribbons :cry:

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mjonc wrote:
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last time I looked, being a numb nuts was not a capital offence, it did not incur automatic excommunication or beheading.

there are many numb nuts out there and yes, some of them are heads of government.

like it or not .... he's our numb nuts .... and .... he can kick goals

play him or not for 1,2 or 3 weeks will make no difference to our season, 2008 is just for practice


So technically if he has num nuts he might not have realised he was peeing?


why didn't I think of that ... great pick up mjonc :)

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Media announcement at 5 PM by Swann.....


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You can piss on my sister's back while I'm dancing with her and tell her it's raining while Fevola keeps himself busy looking in the rear view mirror.

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Media announcement at 5 PM by Swann.....


cruci-fiction ?

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Pending the facts of the incident are all true, then the apologists in this thread need serious enlightening.

Carlton is a multi-million dollar brand! As a result, Brendan is heavily compensated for being a key public figure of this brand. Sponsors pay millions of dollars to associate themselves with this brand, not as charity, but to strengthen their own image and as a result drive their business. To dilute what’s happened as being minor is plain stupidity. What goodwill does Brendan, Carlton and anyone associated with the aforementioned get out of this front-page news? If I were Hyundai and more to the point Carlton, I’d be asking Brendan for his marketing contributions returned – which would be substantial. Let’s not continually make excuses. All the research suggests that advertising and marketing have an impact on consumer’s opinions, hence why companies spend a vast proportion of their revenue on this constant bombardment. Carlton has been in a perpetual state of negativity for many years, tarnishing our brand and resulting in a poor sponsorship. This latest incident does not bode well in a time when we are trying to restore some respectability to our Carlton Football Club brand.

Let me put it this way, I work in sales and customer service, and as a result I am a public face to my company. If I am caught urinating on a shop front in the presence of it’s patrons, and I am recognizable as being employed by said company, how do you think this would reflects on my company’s public image? In the same token, if a teenager still dressed in his recognizable prestigious school uniform is caught committing the same misdemeanor by a gentleman walking past who has just donated a large sum of money as sponsorship to the teenagers school, and gauges the disgust of those witnessing the act take-place, how do you think he’d feel?

It’s hardly like Brendan’s killed anyone, yet to discount his public profile is pure stupidity. Far more important than Brendan Fevola is the Carlton Football Club brand that pays his healthy remuneration. Incidents like these continually reinforce the public opinion that the Carlton Football Club are an arrogant, and cheating business, with little or no respect for anyone, or anything. To disregard this negative opinion as not contributing to lost membership and sponsorship, means frankly you have no business acumen whatsoever. To these apologists, do not tell me for one second you weren’t called and messaged last night immediately after the incident become public, and weren’t overcome with sheer embarrassment for supporting the football club and for continually making excuses for Brendan’s actions - as I’m sure were all of those employed by the club.

When he’s firing, everyone loves the jovial “Fevva” and on talent alone they can put up with his tantrums and finger pointing still present in his last game. Yet when these extra-curricular activities continue to surface, and at a crucial time as we prepare to launch our season, than surely the powers-that-be need have patience beyond belief. Yes I’ve pissed in public whilst drunk, but maybe I’m blessed with the intelligence and respect for the fellow-man to not do so on transparent glass whilst those that sit most happily inside can see in full-view, my public display of blatantly insulting a business they frequent. In this instance I think Brendan’s fortunate enough for his public profile and the club for funding the development of his very large frame, as if it were any of us, the ramifications of disrespecting a proprietor by urinating on his shop front in the presence of his customers may have been dealt with far more severely.

This thread is all about “Fev,” and sadly “Fev’s” all about “Fev.” But for me, I’m all about the club, for I’ve stuck by this club through shitty times, and continually defended the individual; this flower. I’ve been proud to support the club, but to those apologists, tell me you feel truly proud today to be donning your team’s colours. We’ve still got along way to go before we gain respect on-the-park and sadly it seems incidents like these culminate in making it virtually impossible for us to gain respect off it. For mine, it’s another disappointing day for the football club and it’s image after making inroads over the past 12 months and gaining respectability in the general community. It is also disappointing Brendan has put the club in a position whereby sponsors, media, supporters, and the general public, will be heavily scrutinizing the penalty the club imposes on him for denigrating the Carlton Football Club and AFL brands, and to set an example to his peers that his actions are unacceptable, whilst compromising our ability to win our first game in a very long time. I don’t give a shit what any Carlton footballer does behind closed doors but whilst they are in the public eye they are actively being an ambassador for the club I love, and I expect them to act accordingly. I say to those of you whom have obviously lowered the bar for what is expected of Brendan as a human being and a public face to our club…what if it were our Captain?

For the sake of the three people I’ll be in attendance with at Thursday’s game that for various reasons haven’t had the opportunity to see Carlton games, and two of which are membership possibilities, I hope he’s not suspended. Yet for the sake of the youngest list in the AFL and what’s to be expected of them as ambassadors of my football club and getting the best athletic abilities out of their bodies, I hope Brendan is punished with the full arm of the law. The guilt of our club being robbed of a vital win by a few goals should be guilt enough for Brendan Fevola to realize his actions have far greater ramifications for the people that employ his services.

…And don’t even start me on how alcohol and late nights does not affect performance! Obviously you have NO %$#@$#% IDEA!

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I think wake the team up at 4am. (fev would prabably be still awake,) to swim at Kerferd Road or climb some hill etc. But not Fev. let him sleep in. The way to make Fev feel shit is to make his teamates suffer while he doesnt


That's a fantastic idea.

4am tomorrow morning, the entire club is forced to swim in the bay while Fevola watches on from the beach. And it is imparted on the blockhead that if anything like this ever, EVER, happens again then this is the punishment that will be given to the entire team.

Apart from something that is searingly personal, I don't think he will ever learn.


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