Agreed. This thread is a waste of space.

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Why close the thread?

For those who can't handle it, don't read it.

Just go back to burning books.

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I'm getting this second hand but apparently on ACA Kouta said he didn't take the players' complaints to Denis because he "didn't think it was his place"...

TOOL.

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very selective quote that. you should work in the media.

GWS - I'm sorry but because I missed it I'm not sure if I really believe you and your 2nd hand info. I need someone to post it on youtube.

Did he really, really, really, really say it. Did his lips moved correctly or was he lip-sinking and had someone put words in his mouth.

I'm still dubious and will have to get a 2nd opinion before I except the facts as they have been portrayed.























Nah.........Flower it. You were right the first time.

Regards Cazzesman

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Koutoufides was kind enough to answer this question for the paragon of journalistic integrity Martin King on 'A Current Affair'.

Koutoufides said he was unsure whether Pagan knew how the players felt about him.

When asked by King whether he told Pagan, Koutoufides replied he "Didn't think I should've." and "Didn't think he (Pagan) needed to know."

Appropriately, the interview was conducted at his restaurant.

It's an interesting proposition: The captain of our club didn't think he should've told Pagan about the players being unhappy. If not the club captain, then who? Surely Koutoufides had a responsibility as a leader to represent his group.

Having decided that Pagan's methods were causing such dissent, our 'Captain Courageous' didn't think Pagan needed to know. Surely if there was such a serious problem, then logically I would've thought Pagan would definately need to know.

Good luck with your new business and book, and good riddance.

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why do so many people hate Kouta?

will Judd be next if he doesn't get us in the eight first year?

jeez, he just said what has been said in here for ages.

talk about tall poppy syndrome. there is so much hate around here, save it for the other 15 clubs you drongoes

You obviously haven't been in a position where you have had an incompotent idiot in charge of you JW . Because if you had you would understand where Kouta is coming from .

I think the game plan would have come up more than once or twice over Pagans 5 year term even now after having a team sitting on the bottom of the ladder for 5 years coaches like Roo's and Mathews on the radio saying you have to adapt to the circumstances he is still out there defending it . Even to the extent where he tried to say Geelongs gameplan was akin to his .

DP it was nothing @#$%&! like it you brain dead idiot


Worst coach ever

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Is it so hard to conceive that Kouta was meaning to say he didn't think Pagan needed to hear it from him?

If Pagan is to be believed, he thought he was dead to rights quite a bit before this incident.

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I can't see what good it would've done telling Pagan. It just would've got the man's back up and made all the players lives even more hell than they were already experiencing.

If you have a problem with someone you tell them face to face you don't wait 4 years and write it in a book and try to cash in on it.

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Feel my love...............

Not always. Some times it's better to go over someone's head, especially when you know telling someone face to face is going to have absolutely zero effect.

The problem is that Koutoufides said Pagan didn't need to know. He didn't say the coach didn't want to know, or that he shouldn't know, and he didn't say Pagan wouldn't have listened.

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READ the article. The answer to why Koutoufides, Whitnall, Stevens and Lappin didn't want Pagan to know is there.

In all fairness the previous captain told Pagan to his face in 03' and was basically banished from the club.

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WEAK AS PISS
No wonder our team had absolutely no backbone for 6 years.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Your absolutely right.
But in the same breath , we are able to read between the lines and know that Kouta didn't bag Elliott because he made him an instant multi millionaire.
Whereas Pagan didn't have him as the main rooster.
He no longer had a 'team built around him' as was the case during Brittain.

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IF that is true, and added to the fact that the leadership group weren't happy with pagan it makes me wonder whether ratten was told he was a coach-in-waiting when he came back to carlton as an assistant. if he couldn't get along with pagan, why else would he want to come back?

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I often wonder why certain people bother. It's the same crap year after year, and it will go on year after year too. Very strange people.

Still waiting for your piece of mind.......

As for "your types" im not sure what type you think that is, but let me assure you ......


......it's the BLUE type and we too are part of "this club"......

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