Hollands, as we know, is on shaky ground, but if we are to take an SSP for a KPD, Fogarty must also be feeling precarious until Hollands is shown the door first...we might want to look at 2 SSP spots.

Decision must be made by end of next week.
We had 46 players on our list
We need to get that down to 44

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Docherty- Hayward
Lemmey- Chesser
DeKoning- Ainsworth
Silvagni- Florent
Curnow- Reidy
Fantasia- DEAN #9
Durdin- SCHUBERT # 11-16
Binns- Ison # 43 #54

Cincotta-Player 45
White-Player 46

??- SSP

We need to lose another player to get at least one KPD via SSP.

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In Cal Twomey's Phantom Draft order he has Dean at pick 8 AND 194cm.
Deano is growing before our eyes. He's grown 4 cm this year, based on the reports I've read thus far.
By this rate, he should be 196 in March 2025.

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Looks like White and Lij have been delisted along with Binns, but will be considered for train on opportunities.

Good luck with that, we are desperate for a KPD and a KPF support.

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By my count that is now 14 players Mr Austin has recruited to the club that are no longer there
Not a bad effort in 4 draft periods

Add to this the losses of Kennedy JSOS Curnow and TDK

This would have to be the worst list management ever

Fancy extending Binns and Hollands for 2 years then cutting them 12 months later

If he survives post draft period you would be asking Graham Wright questions

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Four list spots gives us four selections to start the draft.

Dean, Ison & one other in between leaves us with one remaining. If we don’t use that selection in the ND or the PSD, then O’Keeffe or Lord would move to the primary list to take us to the minimum of 36. That would open up a SSP selection.

O’Farrell to the LTI list will give us an additional SSP selection.

We can only invite two players at a time, per spot, for two weeks.

So, I would be hoping for an early call on O’Farrell.

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I find it weird we have delisted Lij for behavioral reasons, yet invite him to train on for the chance of redemption?

We are desperate for KPD either to play CHB or replace Lewis Young from those duties.

I wonder if we go for talent or height, not saying the player with height wont have talent, but Lij has heaps of talent.

If we choose Lij over Philips/ Frost/ Derksen.....our KP back up after L.Young will be NOT 18yo Dean, but 190cm Gov, pushing 192cm Haynes to CHB.

One week left to decide if we delist one more contracted player, named Fogarty, to make way for a KPD and possibly Lij. I reckon it makes sense, but then again doesn't make sense to delist a player for behavioral reasons and ask him to train on. Looks to me he will be retained...if what we hear, Walsh has his way.

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That's right.
You're always good with this stuff Cru. I have too many long lunches to focus on detail.

I'd prefer 6 players training on for 3 vacant spots. If we re sign Lij and Fog as rookies, we still pick the best of 3 KPDs training on with White Lij and Fog.

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Hey SB, there's not too many success stories out there like Wells at Geelong. He hasnt had to turn over lists, or experience a rebuild.

Over a 6 years period, that number, 14 fails sounds about normal for a List Manager. And giving Binns and Lij 2 year contracts is no issue at all. I'm not a fan of Binns but his contract would be peanuts and easy to pay out, unless you really believe we have a HUGE cap problem. You're being too picky with those 2 examples just to make a point you don't like Austin.

I'm surprised you haven't bagged the selection of Carroll, Lord, Charleson, Wilson, Moir...you know the kids who have robbed us of depth.

You have to move on. Austin was going to make this year his last. Its obvious he's been convinced to stay longer. I don't think they feel he's the loser you think he is.

I don't think Austin is a List guru, but I'm going to wait to see what transpires a few years aftyer his tenure.

FFS, its not Austin's fault we lost TDK, SOS and Curnow, so I hope you don't blame him for that too.

$1.8M for TDK
$800K for SOS

Did you want Austin to match those? You're kidding if you do. AS for Curnow. Most supporters I sp[eak with are glad that chapter is over. He was a cancer, just as SOS was.

AS for Kennedy, he got us O'Farrell with that pick. Thank god for that I say.

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You can't transfer a player to LTI before the draft, so HOF is on the primary list. And even then, he is a chance to play next year from July onwards, so I don't see him going to LTI.

Currently we have 40 players - 32 primary list and 6 rookies (assuming Charleston gets an extra year), plus 2 Cat Bs. So we have four spots available to the max of 44.

Sounds like three selections in ND plus one train-on spot, depending on Dean bid I am guessing, so could be four. May need to upgrade one Rookie Listers post ND to make 36 on the primary list. I am guessing Lord or O'Keefe.

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Surely you're not saying that by finals in 2027 he will be...

Hang on...

206?

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Lying on his back.

He does have long arms - and you know what they say…

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Surely Dean is 194.7cm

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It's called list management BB
And Austin is shit

Your in charge of the list the buck stops with you.
Callaghan at GWS same offer as TDK.
He is still at GWS

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Whether or not Austin is any good or not this has nothing to do with Austin.

Callaghan is an absolute gun, is 22, and will most likely earn more than that over his career wherever he plays.

De Koning is 26 and cashed in because he’d barely be in the top 100 players in the league and got given a Godfather offer.

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Thanks for doing those calculations, that was next on my list.
Like you said it could go anyway but it's good to know ball park figures either way.
I think we will only be drafting 3 players this year anyway.
Next year we have a round 4 pick and in 2027 we have a R3 and R4 pick that can be traded.
I wouldn't worry about Gold Coast they still have 2026, 2 x R2 picks, 2 x R3 picks and a R4 picks that they can trade back into this year if they really want players and I'm sure that is what they will do.
Hopefully they do this and they need picks next year and will be open to trading Humphries to us.

A 22 year old midfielder and a 26 year old ruckman are at about the same stage of their development.
People forget at the beginning of the year People were suggesting that TDK was going to be the next big thing with even Max Gawn saying TDK could be the best ever .

Austin has been a total disaster for this football club. Last year trade period he set the back the club 10 year's. He has taken us into total rebuild mode again.
This year he is scrambling trying to correct Last years errors but the players are walking.
Don't be surprised if Walsh is next

Even the Irish recruitment he has done will fail.
We were flying in 2023 he needed to top up to bolster the depth he brought in Orazio injury prone, Elijah sniffing issues and 4 kids and a Irish experiment.
Did do anything to correct his errors after we were exposed for lack of depth through injury in 2024 , nope he went all in on kids again leaving the club with the most amount of players under 21 in the comp.

SOS left him with potentially the best spine in the comp with AA fullback 2 Coleman medallist, best finals player a duel brownlow medallist and a ruckman touted as the next big thing. All he had to do was add depth around that but he chose the draft with kids who had missed 2 years of their junior development due to Covid


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Apologies for my criticism of SOS. I didn’t realise it cut so deep.

How many first round picks did Austin burn? You forgot to mention that.

Oh yeah, and forgot to thank SOS for the 2 time Brownlow medallist … and for not stuffing up his 2 No 1 picks.

What an idiot Callaghan was to decline an offer to join the great List Manager ever at the Saints.

Do you really really believe TDK left because of Austin

SOS gave us and showed the works what “a total rebuild” looks like. I don’t think Austin has done that at all. I was shitty he didn’t replace experience last year, and was only vulnerable when we had more than 8 players out injured. If we look at the injured players over the last 4 years you’ll find SOS recruited 90% of them. Austin says thanks for that SOS.

I can see our list and team evolving and less reliant on premadonnas who either don’t show up to play, or whose body doesn’t allow them to play an average of 12 games per season. SOS got the latter, a 28yo for $800k pa for 5 years. Austin must have had his eyes closed.

Trade period isn’t over for 2025 and I honestly believe in the 2 year plan to create a list capable of playing quicker footy.

I actually don’t miss SOS at all, and not envious of those overpaid recruits he has traded in, guaranteeing a Flag for the Saints. Like he guaranteed a 66 game rebuild

18 teams have to pick 3 new players each year. That’s 56 players. How many of those 56 selections do you really really think will make an AFL Finals team? Not many after pick 15. The pool isn’t as deep as you think.

Chin up SB.

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Apologies for my criticism of SOS. I didn’t realise it cut so deep.

How many first round picks did Austin burn? You forgot to mention that.

Oh yeah, and forgot to thank SOS for the 2 time Brownlow medallist … and for not stuffing up his 2 No 1 picks.

What an idiot Callaghan was to decline an offer to join the great List Manager ever at the Saints.

Do you really really believe TDK left because of Austin

SOS gave us and showed the works what “a total rebuild” looks like. I don’t think Austin has done that at all. I was shitty he didn’t replace experience last year, and was only vulnerable when we had more than 8 players out injured. If we look at the injured players over the last 4 years you’ll find SOS recruited 90% of them. Austin says thanks for that SOS.

I can see our list and team evolving and less reliant on premadonnas who either don’t show up to play, or whose body doesn’t allow them to play an average of 12 games per season. SOS got the latter, a 28yo for $800k pa for 5 years. Austin must have had his eyes closed.

Trade period isn’t over for 2025 and I honestly believe in the 2 year plan to create a list capable of playing quicker footy.

I actually don’t miss SOS at all, and not envious of those overpaid recruits he has traded in, guaranteeing a Flag for the Saints. Like he guaranteed a 66 game rebuild

18 teams have to pick 3 new players each year. That’s 56 players. How many of those 56 selections do you really really think will make an AFL Finals team? Not many after pick 15. The pool isn’t as deep as you think.

Chin up SB.[/quote]Look at what the top sides are doing.
They are trying to establish a core group of ready made players of about 32 players.
Even GC and GWS who have been raped and pillaged for 10 years have realised you have to strengthen your depth. Stringer Hogan now Oliver. Rioli Petracca ugle Noble.
Barrass Battle Chol Ginovan.

We were doing it Newman Hewett Saad Cerra even Pitto Young. We were adding depth at the same time as adding 2 to 3 younger players.

Then we decided that we would let that playing depth go out the door and replace it with 18 year olds.
Stocker Dow Setterfield Kennedy Owies Martin Cunningham Marchbank now JSOS Curnow TDK.

Instead of letting the under 21 develop we are chucking them in the deep end because it is enviable that injury will happen and there will be 8 to 10 out most weeks.

Then the young blokes get injury because they don't have the base. Cowan Ofarrell Jagga Motlop, Moir has missed games.

It is the list management strategy for a team that want to be winning in October and November. We nail every draft and trade period B+ and A every year

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Putting my predicting hat on, I reckon the bid for Dean will come from Melbourne at #10 or #11.

1. West Coast - Duursma
2. Gold Coast - Uwland (match West Coast bid)
3. Brisbane - Annable (match West Coast bid)
4. West Coast - Sharp or Robey
5. Richmond - Taylor
6. Gold Coast - Patterson (match Richmond bid)
7. Richmond - Grlj
8. Scum - Duff-Tytler
9. Scum - Sharp, Robey or Cumming
10. Carlton - Dean (match Melbourne bid)
11. Melbourne - Sharp, Robey, Cumming or Greeves
12. Melbourne - Schubert or Marsh
13. Hawthorn - ???
14. Carlton - ???


Possible first round trade predictions…

Gold Coast will want Norf’s two picks in the early 20s.
Bulldogs & Hawks will trade out
Port will trade in
Adelaide will trade up
Scum will try and trade up, but will be told to @#$%&! off. A consequence of the Merrett deal torpedoing pick & player swaps in the exchange window.

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